Top 10 welterweights?

[GJC]

Great list. If not in the top 10, where would you place Donald Curry and Felix Trinidad among all time 147 pounders?

Curry is a tough call, he looked devastating in his shortish peak but when you look at his resume you can't help but wonder how good Starling and McCrory really were.
Honeyghan who no one would call an ATG made him look very ordinary, Jacquot too.
Guys like Curry are a good reason why you have to enjoy a fighter at the time but not get carried away when people say he is the greatest, time will always tell.

[StarshipTrooper]

Welterweight and Middleweight have historically been the deepest divisions. It's really hard to make headway in them they're so stacked.

Poet

[TheGreatA]

Curry is a tough call, he looked devastating in his shortish peak but when you look at his resume you can't help but wonder how good Starling and McCrory really were.
Honeyghan who no one would call an ATG made him look very ordinary, Jacquot too.
Guys like Curry are a good reason why you have to enjoy a fighter at the time but not get carried away when people say he is the greatest, time will always tell.

I'd say that Starling was very, very good but both of those fights were very close and could have been scored either way really. Curry didn't truly prove he was a level above Starling who beat men like Lloyd Honeygran, Simon Brown, Mark Breland.

McCrory I don't rate as highly. He was a huge welterweight but it also led to him being weight-drained. By the time he fought Curry, he had no punch resistance whatsoever. I have however always been impressed with the left hook Curry finished off with, one of the best left hooks you'll ever see.

[boxingbuff]

In case you were interested, this is how The Ring ranked the top 20 welterweights in a recent issue (only retired fighters allowed):

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Kid Gavlian
4. Charley Burley
5. Sugar Ray Leonard
6. Carmen Basilio
7. Jose Napoles
8. Tommy Ryan
9. Barbados Joe Walcott
10. Emile Griffith
11. Thomas Hearns
12. Mickey Walker
13. Jack Britton
14. Ted Kid Lewis
15. Barney Ross
16. Jimmy McLarnin
17. Luis Rodriguez
18. Billy Graham
19. Pernell Whitaker
20. Roberto Duran

That's more like it......My man Charles Burley belongs right there.

Burley whipped and knocked down Archie Moore,on a 3 hour notice.He fought Ezzard Charles to a close fight several times.I could go on and on....

Good list.....But Duran should be higher.

[GJC]

That's more like it......My man Charles Burley belongs right there.

Burley whipped and knocked down Archie Moore,on a 3 hour notice.He fought Ezzard Charles to a close fight several times.I could go on and on....

Good list.....But Duran should be higher.

I agree always nice to see Burley up in the ratings.
Duran was good at welter but great at LW so there is something to be said for Poets method of deciding on a weight class and putting a fighter in just one. Though that said then you can argue about whether they are in the right weight class I guess.
Poet goes for Langford at welter whereas I would put him in as middle and probably another 2 people would have him in at LHW and heavy.
Jab likes Holman Williams at welter whereas I like him at middle and Jab points out correctly you could use the same rationale for Burley.
GreatA has pointed out that Armstrong mainly fought at 140 as a welter so you could drop him down to light welter where he would be the definate no 1 for my money, it would also be nice to have such a great fighter at the top of a weight class rather than 2nd.
Been a nice thread with some good points made by some knowledgable posters.
Would be nice if all threads could be like this differences of opinion but constructively made without insults thrown around.

[GJC]

Credit to Jab for kicking the thread off and posting his list, he's a braver man than me lol.
I started a top ten list myself but it hurts to leave so many good fighters out, as for ranking them...........

[StarshipTrooper]

I agree always nice to see Burley up in the ratings.
Duran was good at welter but great at LW so there is something to be said for Poets method of deciding on a weight class and putting a fighter in just one. Though that said then you can argue about whether they are in the right weight class I guess.
Poet goes for Langford at welter whereas I would put him in as middle and probably another 2 people would have him in at LHW and heavy.
Jab likes Holman Williams at welter whereas I like him at middle and Jab points out correctly you could use the same rationale for Burley.
GreatA has pointed out that Armstrong mainly fought at 140 as a welter so you could drop him down to light welter where he would be the definate no 1 for my money, it would also be nice to have such a great fighter at the top of a weight class rather than 2nd.
Been a nice thread with some good points made by some knowledgable posters.
Would be nice if all threads could be like this differences of opinion but constructively made without insults thrown around.

For the record, I rank Burley number 6 all-time at Middleweight.

Poet

[GJC]

For the record, I rank Burley number 6 all-time at Middleweight.

Poet

Top ten would certainly be fair.
Who above, Ketchel, Greb, SRR, Monzon, Hagler?

[StarshipTrooper]

Top ten would certainly be fair.
Who above, Ketchel, Greb, SRR, Monzon, Hagler?

I love lists, so I always have mine ready to go lol

ATGs

01. Ray Robinson
02. Bob Fitzsimmons
03. Marvin Hagler
04. Stanley Ketchel
05. Bernard Hopkins
06. Charley Burley
07. Harry Greb
08. Jake LaMotta
09. Carlos Monzon
10. Tony Zale
11. Panama Joe Gans
12. Marcel Cerdan
13. Les Darcy
14. Mike Gibbons
15. Holman Williams
16. Mickey Walker
17. James Toney
18. Mike McCallum
19. Tommy Burns
20. Freddie Steele
21. Non Periel Jack Dempsey
22. Nino Benvenuti


Some Near Greats (Alphabetical)

George Abrams
Freddie Apostoli
Joey Archer
Nigel Benn
George Benton
Bennie Brisco
Lou Brouillard
Hank Casey
Cyrille Delanoit
Vince Dundee
Tiger Flowers
Gene Fullmer
Joey Giambra
Joey Giardello
Bert Lytell
Gerald McClellan
Terry Norris
Mike O'Dowd
Ken Overlin
Billy Papke
Dave Sands
Harry Smith
Jeff Smith
Jermain Taylor
Randy Turpin
Rodrigo Valdez
Teddy Yarosz
Winky Wright

[GJC]

I love lists, so I always have mine ready to go lol

ATGs

01. Ray Robinson
02. Bob Fitzsimmons
03. Marvin Hagler
04. Stanley Ketchel
05. Bernard Hopkins
06. Charley Burley
07. Harry Greb
08. Jake LaMotta
09. Carlos Monzon
10. Tony Zale
11. Panama Joe Gans
12. Marcel Cerdan
13. Les Darcy
14. Mike Gibbons
15. Holman Williams
16. Mickey Walker
17. James Toney
18. Mike McCallum
19. Tommy Burns
20. Freddie Steele
21. Non Periel Jack Dempsey
22. Nino Benvenuti


Some Near Greats (Alphabetical)

George Abrams
Freddie Apostoli
Joey Archer
Nigel Benn
George Benton
Bennie Brisco
Lou Brouillard
Hank Casey
Cyrille Delanoit
Vince Dundee
Tiger Flowers
Gene Fullmer
Joey Giambra
Joey Giardello
Bert Lytell
Gerald McClellan
Terry Norris
Mike O'Dowd
Ken Overlin
Billy Papke
Dave Sands
Harry Smith
Jeff Smith
Jermain Taylor
Randy Turpin
Rodrigo Valdez
Teddy Yarosz
Winky Wright

Bet you have it in your pocket to produce in bars lol.

01. Ray Robinson
02. Marvin Hagler
03. Harry Greb
04. Stanley Ketchel
05. Carlos Monzon
06. Bernard Hopkins
07. Charley Burley
08. Jake LaMotta
09. Mickey Walker
10. Marcel Cerdan

I like Fitz as a LHW personally so he's gone and redone the rest for you as you were obviously confused on the rest, Greb @ 7 tsk tsk.

Zale in the top 10 suprises me, tough guy but he was middle of the top ten in his era let alone all time IMO.