Era Misconceptions

[Obama]

You are able to realize the difference between a 7 fight Jeffries and a prime Johnson and put their respective opposition in context, aren't you?

Sure. I did not criticize Jeffries for fighting the man, you can't expect to fight credible opposition in every single fight that you have. I got no problem with the fact that the fight happened. You missed the point entirely. Hate makes people blind. This is the case with you.

[Jim Jeffries]

Sure. I did not criticize Jeffries for fighting the man, you can't expect to fight credible opposition in every single fight that you have. I got no problem with the fact that the fight happened. You missed the point entirely. Hate makes people blind. This is the case with you.

But you hate and belittle Dempsey for not fighting a far past his best Langford? Give Jack no credit because he didn't fight any black fighters during his title reign, all the while praising Jack Johnson, who did the exact same thing.

I agree, hate and racism makes people blind. What is your top 10 ATG HW list again?

[Obama]

On another note, Bernard Hopkins is about 6 years past his prime as well. Yet I consider him a semi-elite fighter. I can make the same cases for Larry Holmes and George Foreman when they came out of retirement and continued to amaze, beating Ray Mercer and Michal Moorer respectively.

[Obama]

But you hate and belittle Dempsey for not fighting a far past his best Langford? Give Jack no credit because he didn't fight any black fighters during his title reign, all the while praising Jack Johnson, who did the exact same thing.

I agree, hate and racism makes people blind. What is your top 10 ATG HW list again?

Once again you prove to be unable to comprehend what you read.

For one, in 1918 Langford was still a semi-elite fighter.
For another, I in no way criticized Dempsey for not fighting credible Black opponents after he became Champion. I criticized him for not fighting them before hand, things nearly every other great Heavyweight did aside from him.

[LondonRingRules]

And how many times do you have to get racist? You've been rude to me every post you've ever made.

What's odd is what you quoted was not opinion based whatsoever...I stated facts, and asked a question. So what are you crying about?

** Hey, Obamy, how many times do I have to tell you, you give our president a bad name. Give the name back it's honor and properly reflect your character, something like IdiAmin4U.

You came on the board slinging sludge, not facts. Facts are you were busted on the last 3 black contenders that you claimed Dempsey ducked. I proved there was near zero overlap of either eras or regions between the fighters.

Dempsey was a regional Western fighter until meeting up with Kearns, so, again there is near ZERO overlap between Dempsey and McVea, Langford, and Jeannette. There was a one month period in NYC where it is possible that he might have bumped into Langford or Jeannette who more likely were a hundred miles away in their hometowns. They were acclaimed and well monied fighters who could hardly be bothered with some hobo drifting into town.

Dempsey himself indicates a con man who ran off his manager with a ruse offered to get him a fight with Langford. Jack says he turned it down because he was living on park benches, being fed at soup kitchens, had a broken rib and still hadn't been paid a dime for his previous efforts. He left town broke and on the rails again once he realized the thing was a scam.

How many times do you have to be told, Jack had little control over his career after Kearns got him until he left Kearns and Rickard to famously sign to meet Wills in what turned out to be a 3 yr retirement to Hollywood? A lifetime would be insufficient in your case.

You didn't bring up the confrontation with Jeannette in the ring circa 1918 when Kearns had him boxing in a series of war fund exhibitions trying to build to the Willard fight because you don't know the first thing about anything that I can see. Dempsey enters the ring and then Jeannette enters the ring to prance around in the opposite corner. Kearns jumps in and a big brouhaha starts with organizers who claim Dempsey's original opponent "has left the building."

Meanwhile, Jack sits in his corner awaiting instructions. Finally Kearns has heard enough and grabs him to leave the ring. Could've been an interesting moment, but Kearn's had been doublecrossed and wasn't taking any chances with hometown decisions in advance of Willard. It was only a 4 rounder with Jeannette starting his last year of boxing, so it would've meant less than his draw with Johnson 2 yrs previous.

You're like the first grader who comes home the first day of school showing everyone how he knows 1+1=2 and is now a renowned mathematician. Except in your case, you've made up imaginary numbers from your imaginary universe. Well, go sell it to your little imaginary friends as real life folks who know what actually went down are just laughing at you or cringing as you drag *****'s presidency through your sludge.

[boxxerr]

It is not right to just term one phase as an era. There are good fighters emerging each time, so we can only comment on the time frame in which they fought as the best time of theirs if they have proved them self.

[BennyST]

A = elite
A- = semi-elite

I'm not calling him elite material. But before he was over the hill, semi elite is about right. Consider it B+ if you must. It's still better than B.

We're talking about them when they were heavyweights, as that was the whole point of the conversation. They were mentioned by you as A fighters in that era of heavyweights when they were clearly not. They would have struggled to be B fighters at that stage. Great fighters years before. I think you're missing the point GreatA is making.

[BennyST]

I don't see how your points keep them from being semi-elite fighters. They were CLEARLY above the B level competition. But, whatever.

Now I want to know who your top 5 CWs are.

It was based on their heavyweight days, not at their best at LHW. The point GreatA was making was based on the heavyweight era of the 80's and 90's.

[Obama]

You didn't bring up the confrontation with Jeannette in the ring circa 1918 when Kearns had him boxing in a series of war fund exhibitions trying to build to the Willard fight because you don't know the first thing about anything that I can see. Dempsey enters the ring and then Jeannette enters the ring to prance around in the opposite corner. Kearns jumps in and a big brouhaha starts with organizers who claim Dempsey's original opponent "has left the building."

Meanwhile, Jack sits in his corner awaiting instructions. Finally Kearns has heard enough and grabs him to leave the ring. Could've been an interesting moment, but Kearn's had been doublecrossed and wasn't taking any chances with hometown decisions in advance of Willard. It was only a 4 rounder with Jeannette starting his last year of boxing, so it would've meant less than his draw with Johnson 2 yrs previous.

Jeannette's last year was 1922. In 1918 he beat a very good fighter in Kid Norfolk. The fight would have meant less than Dempsey's draw with Lester Johnson 2 years previously? I think not.

[JMM-PAC]

Jeannette's last year was 1922. In 1918 he beat a very good fighter in Kid Norfolk. The fight would have meant less than Dempsey's draw with Lester Johnson 2 years previously? I think not.

you got him there dude!