How would Frazier fare in today's climate?

[BigStereotype]

Obviously, we're looking at Frazier vs. the K-bros with this. He crushes Eddie Chambers

Against Wlad, I think he could pressure him and out-work him inside and stop him around the 7th or 8th. He'd probably hit the canvas, but I really don't trust Wlad under pressure. He'd crumple.

Vitali is an entirely different story. He'd match Frazier's workrate and I DO think he'd be able to keep him outside...sorta. But he wouldn't be so outmanned inside that it would be as crippling as it was to Wlad. Frazier probably sees the last bell, but I'd bet pretty big on Vitali here.

[GoogleMe]

I don't really think Frazier was that good a boxer, he had a big heart, a good chin and a good left hook. But he wouldn't stand a chance against Wladimirs/Vitali's great developed jabs, physiques and POWER.

[The Surgeon]

Frazier would be The World Champion im sure of that, David Haye gets run outta the ring, Arreloa gets stopped by the 6th, Adamek gets the hell beaten outta him and the Klitchko brothers? Wlad folds like origami under pressure, he looks so panic stricken its unreal and very few fighters in history brought the type of relentless and effective pressure Smokin Joe Frazier brought! I see him slipping most of the jabs Wlad shoots out and coming whaleing back with hooks to the body taking the limited steam out of his taller opponent before stopping him at some point with Klitchko scrambling up off the floor on Bambi legs.
Vitali holds a better shot but hits with less authority, Joe steams in at him and Vitali punching down at the bobbing Frazier has limited success while Frazier works his body over, two tough guys here but Frazier might have been the toughest man alive while Klitchko has some biitch in him, we know that from the Bryd fight. Klitchko has a good chin tho and can pull away from most head shots anyway and can hold on when need be so i see Vitali lasting the distance but Joe Frazier coming out on top

[bojangles1987]

I don't really think Frazier was that good a boxer, he had a big heart, a good chin and a good left hook. But he wouldn't stand a chance against Wladimirs/Vitali's great developed jabs, physiques and POWER.

Yes he would. Ali had the same reach as the Klitschkos, and a better jab, and better movement, yet he got inside all the same. His problem wouldn't be getting inside on either Klitschko, it would be staying there. I confident he would be able to do so against Wlad, not so much against Vitali.

[GoogleMe]

Yes he would. Ali had the same reach as the Klitschkos, and a better jab, and better movement, yet he got inside all the same. His problem wouldn't be getting inside on either Klitschko, it would be staying there. I confident he would be able to do so against Wlad, not so much against Vitali.

You guys just rate it as anyone with a punch would kill Wladimir??? Wladimir has WAY more power in both hands than Ali. Frazier would not get on the inside, he'd be knocked out early, kinda like the Foreman fight.

Wladimir LOVES it when people comes forward, cause then they feel the pain x 2. He expected Haye to come forward, that's why he were passive.

[bojangles1987]

You guys just rate it as anyone with a punch would kill Wladimir??? Wladimir has WAY more power in both hands than Ali. Frazier would not get on the inside, he'd be knocked out early, kinda like the Foreman fight.

Wladimir LOVES it when people comes forward, cause then they feel the pain x 2. He expected Haye to come forward, that's why he were passive.

1. I never said he would kill Wlad.

2. Wlad's power only comes into play when he is confident in the pace of the fight, he often just paws with his jab early in the fight until he is comfortable. Frazier would never let him get comfortable.

3. Wlad loves fighters who come forward because those fighters don't know how to bob and weave and slip the jab, and don't know how to fight inside when they get there.

Frazier would get inside on Wlad, he got inside on everyone. Wlad would not be the hardest fighter to get inside on Frazier ever fought. What would determine the fight at that point is how Wlad handled the pace and the inside fighting, which he has never proven he can handle well. That's why I would take Frazier.

[The_Demon]

1. I never said he would kill Wlad.

2. Wlad's power only comes into play when he is confident in the pace of the fight, he often just paws with his jab early in the fight until he is comfortable. Frazier would never let him get comfortable.

3. Wlad loves fighters who come forward because those fighters don't know how to bob and weave and slip the jab, and don't know how to fight inside when they get there.

Frazier would get inside on Wlad, he got inside on everyone. Wlad would not be the hardest fighter to get inside on Frazier ever fought. What would determine the fight at that point is how Wlad handled the pace and the inside fighting, which he has never proven he can handle well. That's why I would take Frazier.

Very good post,anybody who thinks Wlad would handle Frazier is tripping,i couldnt think of a worse style match-up for WK

[Sugarj]

You guys just rate it as anyone with a punch would kill Wladimir??? Wladimir has WAY more power in both hands than Ali. Frazier would not get on the inside, he'd be knocked out early, kinda like the Foreman fight.

Wladimir LOVES it when people comes forward, cause then they feel the pain x 2. He expected Haye to come forward, that's why he were passive.

Whilst I agree that the matchup with Wlad is interesting, the reason that Foreman had a relatively easy time with Frazier was down to two things:

1) His uppercut
2) His ability to stand his ground and trade with Frazier

Wlad rarely uses an uppercut and he rarely stands his ground to trade with opponents.

This would be no second round demolition!

[The Surgeon]

You guys just rate it as anyone with a punch would kill Wladimir??? Wladimir has WAY more power in both hands than Ali. Frazier would not get on the inside, he'd be knocked out early, kinda like the Foreman fight.

Wladimir LOVES it when people comes forward, cause then they feel the pain x 2. He expected Haye to come forward, that's why he were passive.

He were passive vs Haye because thats what he does. EVERYTIME out. He's a timid kitten when infact he is capable of being a beast. Foreman hits harder than Wlad and is probably a top 2 hardest puncher ever and he really committed to landing his bombs and following them up - something Klitchko would Not do or even attempt to. And even vs The Monsterous Foreman Joe got up again and again and wanted more, Klitchko wouldnt worry Frazier, Frazier would snarl at him, spit in his eye then kick his ass...
Its not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of fight in the dog and trust me Joe Frazier has a whole lot more fight in him than Wladimir Klitchko does

Frazier wouldnt even dream of quitting and hitting survival mode after a few rounds of jabs like Klitchko's soft opposition does, his drive, commitment, endurance and stamina along with his relentlessness, his power and his body work would see him win this one imo

[BigStereotype]

Frazier would be The World Champion im sure of that, David Haye gets run outta the ring, Arreloa gets stopped by the 6th, Adamek gets the hell beaten outta him and the Klitchko brothers? Wlad folds like origami under pressure, he looks so panic stricken its unreal and very few fighters in history brought the type of relentless and effective pressure Smokin Joe Frazier brought! I see him slipping most of the jabs Wlad shoots out and coming whaleing back with hooks to the body taking the limited steam out of his taller opponent before stopping him at some point with Klitchko scrambling up off the floor on Bambi legs.
Vitali holds a better shot but hits with less authority, Joe steams in at him and Vitali punching down at the bobbing Frazier has limited success while Frazier works his body over, two tough guys here but Frazier might have been the toughest man alive while Klitchko has some biitch in him, we know that from the Bryd fight. Klitchko has a good chin tho and can pull away from most head shots anyway and can hold on when need be so i see Vitali lasting the distance but Joe Frazier coming out on top

Saying that Klitschko has some bitch in him is a little harsh don't you think? I mean, he hasn't showed anything resembling that since and it's kind of hard to fight if you can't lift your arm. Have people fought through that sort of stuff before? Maybe, but there's a wide gap between "biggest heart ever" and "a little bitch in him." That being said, Frazier has the biggest heart ever. I can see Vitali slicing and blowing Frazier's face up with a ******* of punches and maybe stopping him late on a TKO. The gameplan I'm thinking of is like against Arreola, constantly throwing off the backfoot. That could blunt Frazier's offense a bit and give him chances to land some bombs coming in. Vitali doesn't usually commit to his punches, but when he does, watch out.