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  • #51
    Lewis has a suspect chin. I think Lewis would get Kayoed if Frazier ever got inside.

    Vitaly imo still needs to prove himself... his best fight is one in which he lost with that eye and whether or not he was ahead on points, Lewis caused that cut with a punch. Other than that Corrie Sanders and Kirk Johnson aren't even close to the opposition Frazier has faced.

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    • #52
      Joe Frazier, as he is now, can still swing though. I got clocked by him personally with a right hook in the jaw during a training session. As for current fighters, I don't know. But he's still gotta a whole lot of heart and fight in him...

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      • #53
        Smokin Joe would still be smokin. He probably would have unified the belts in under 2 years.

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        • #54
          Frazier against V Klistchko: Frazier by stoppage TKO 11 Frazier would wear him down and never stop going forward he would taste the canvase maybe a couple times but his stamina would make the difference he would volume punch Klistchko to oblivion and occasionaly land the big left hook wearing Klistchko down to be stopped in the 11th

          Frazier against W KListchko: Frazier Ko 4

          Frazier agaisnt prime Holyfield 1992: Holyfield by UD in fight of the year, Frazier tasts teh canvas off a big uppercut in the 7th. Making the difference in the fight.

          Frazier against Golota 1996: Frazier by Golota quitting in 11 after being frustarted that Frazier took so many shots and been knocked down so many times and is still coming forward and still so strong and starting to take over and hurting Golota bad while Golota is out of gas. Golota self defeating personality prevails he quits while ahead on the cards by like 14 points in the end of round 11 in a 12 fight. He is ahead by 14 points from winning every round but 1 and knocked Frazier down 3 times.

          Frazier vs current Tyson: Frazier TKO 5

          Frazier vs Byrd: Frazier by KO 9

          Frazier vs John Ruiz: Frazier UD

          Frazier vs Lennox Lewis: Frazier by KO 10 Lewis wins alot of rounds more or less keeping Frazier at bay with the jab but one big shot, one big left hook catches Lewis off guard in the 10th. Lewis in this fight tries to fight an overly cautious fight and at times Frazier's inside work hurts Lewis which aids him knocking Lennox out in the 10th. If Lewis threw more straight rights in addition to the left jab he would have knocked Frazier out but he fought to conservatively. He was afraid to throw the right because of the counter left hook of Frazier, and afraid to commit to any big power punches.
          Last edited by The Troll; 05-11-2005, 11:43 AM.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by McKay
            Frazier against V Klistchko: Frazier by stoppage TKO 11 Frazier would wear him down and never stop going forward he would taste the canvase maybe a couple times but his stamina would make the difference he would volume punch Klistchko to oblivion and occasionaly land the big left hook wearing Klistchko down to be stopped in the 11th

            Frazier against W KListchko: Frazier Ko 4

            Frazier agaisnt prime Holyfield 1992: Holyfield by UD in fight of the year, Frazier tasts teh canvas off a big uppercut in the 7th. Making the difference in the fight.

            Frazier against Golota 1996: Frazier by Golota quitting in 11 after being frustarted that Frazier took so many shots and been knocked down so many times and is still coming forward and still so strong and starting to take over and hurting Golota bad while Golota is out of gas. Golota self defeating personality prevails he quits while ahead on the cards by like 14 points in the end of round 11 in a 12 fight. He is ahead by 14 points from winning every round but 1 and knocked Frazier down 3 times.

            Frazier vs current Tyson: Frazier TKO 5

            Frazier vs Byrd: Frazier by KO 9

            Frazier vs John Ruiz: Frazier UD

            Frazier vs Lennox Lewis: Frazier by KO 10 Lewis wins alot of rounds more or less keeping Frazier at bay with the jab but one big shot, one big left hook catches Lewis off guard in the 10th. Lewis in this fight tries to fight an overly cautious fight and at times Frazier's inside work hurts Lewis which aids him knocking Lennox out in the 10th. If Lewis threw more straight rights in addition to the left jab he would have knocked Frazier out but he fought to conservatively. He was afraid to throw the right because of the counter left hook of Frazier, and afraid to commit to any big power punches.
            how can frazer knock out both tyson and lewis but not holyfield? tyson and lewis would make pannkake of frazier.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by kapersky
              how can frazer knock out both tyson and lewis but not holyfield? tyson and lewis would make pannkake of frazier.
              It said Frazier vs Current Tyson: 233 pounds age 39

              And Lewis lost because he fought to conservative of a fight and was afraid to commit to powerpunches in fear of being caught with Fraziers left hook as a counterpunch.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by phallus View Post
                Foreman was good in 73, but Joe was scared of him. Foreman dominated Joe psychologically, i don't think Joe was ever scared of anyone else. Foreman just had Frazier's number. But if Smokin Joe were in his prime today, he'd be the undisputed champ! To see the proof, just watch Frazier - Ali 1 or Smokin' Joe's destruction of WBA ( i think?) champ Jimmy Ellis.
                Elllis was a good fighter, and very similar in size to todays boiz ( he was bigger than Joe ) and it was a one sided slaughter from the beginning
                Joe would Smoke 'Em today.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by phallus View Post
                  Foreman was good in 73, but Joe was scared of him. Foreman dominated Joe psychologically, i don't think Joe was ever scared of anyone else.
                  I believe that Foreman has actually stated that it was he who was afraid going into their first fight.

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                  • #59
                    smokin joe by ko

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                    • #60
                      I can just imagine it now.

                      "Dear god what am I fighting?"

                      People are quick to mention the size of modern fighters, but size can actually be a disadvantage sometimes. Frazier used his height to give Ali the worst accuracy of his entire career, I don't see why taller, slower fighters wouldn't have the same problem.

                      And they're going to have an interesting time trying to block his bodyshots, larger target afterall, and with Joe Frazier that's where you're going to have a big problem.

                      The biggest problem however, is the one they'd have with trying to get rid of him. The first Foreman fight is actually a great example in this case. 6 knockdowns in a two-round fight. Frazier was ready to get back up and go back for more everytime.
                      Which of todays heavyweights could or would do that? More importantly how would they deal with this guy who is constantly pounding away at them but refusing to be put away? I know a good portion of them would fold like paper.

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