Harry Greb shadowboxing

[them_apples]

That "old fighter" happens to be America's best and one of the best P4P fighters on the planet

yea fool, well to win you generally have to land something.
That fight was a draw, easily.

He's Americas best right now because America is lacking bigtime in the boxing department.

[TheGreatA]

The problem is that your opinion on Harry Greb is based on 20-30 seconds of footage in which he was playing around for the cameras (this is common knowledge). I could just as easily choose to take clips of Calzaghe throwing pitty pats and slaps and make him look bad.




Footage of Tunney at 7:15

Does he look like a fighter who would lose to a complete amateur?

Tommy Loughran who was dominated by Greb:

Whenever great fighters of his era discussed Greb they mentioned three outstanding qualities that qualify him as the greatest swarming fighter of history. First of these was his great speed. Second of these was the relentless pace he set by the sheer volume of punches that he threw. And lastly was his impregnable chin, which is an essential ingredient to the successful swarming fighter.

Fighting Greb was like fighting a man with eight arms. “He was never in one spot for more than half a second,” said Gene Tunney, “All my punches were aimed and timed properly but they always wound up hitting empty air. He'd jump in and out, slamming me with a left and whirling me around with his right or the other way around. My arms were plastered with leather and although I jabbed, hooked and crossed, it was like fighting an octopus.”

A comparison can be made with Calzaghe.

[Kid McCoy]

I'm a notorious Calzaghe hater (ask anyone), the guy does seem sort of awkward and uncoordinated ( i know he slaps 100 times per round) but he still isn't anywhere near as bad as what that Greb video is showing. that's fricken aweful. If you are calling him great for what he was able to accomplish during his time, then i'm all for it. If you think this guy is going to beat on the Ray Leonards, Durans and Pacquiaos of our time though, I most certainly don't agree.

But you aren't judging eggs with eggs. There's tons of footage of Calzaghe in actual fights, whereas all we have of Greb is 30 seconds of clowning for the cameras. It's like judging Ali solely by his clowning head-to-heads with Cus D'Amato, when at one point Cus managed to give Ali a swollen lip after hitting him with a punch he'd just told him he was vulnerable to. Or if the only footage of Pacman was of him getting sparked by a flyweight. Just imagine how the Mayweather fanboys would rip into them for that.

What we do have of Greb is footage of his opponents, like Mickey Walker, like Gene Tunney - I'm sure even you have conceded that Tunney was class - so we know how good they were and how good someone like Greb would have to have been to beat them. Eyewitness accounts and testimony from his opponents are unanimous in describing him as a whirlwind, very hard to hit, and with a huge punch output. Too unanimous for them all to be dismissed as hyperbole.

[BrooklynBomber]

Anyone who boxes will tell you that he actually moves around pretty well, his footwork is coordinated, and while he looks funny he DOES throw punches while moving back.

[TheGreatA]

Imagine if this was the only footage available of Floyd Mayweather:

[Kid McCoy]

Imagine if this was the only footage available of Floyd Mayweather:

And that guy was p4p #1? Just shows how rubbish fighters from his era were. Anyone who thinks that bum would last 5 minutes with Sugar Ray Robinson needs to be locked away in a padded cell.

Good find.

[them_apples]

But you aren't judging eggs with eggs. There's tons of footage of Calzaghe in actual fights, whereas all we have of Greb is 30 seconds of clowning for the cameras. It's like judging Ali solely by his clowning head-to-heads with Cus D'Amato, when at one point Cus managed to give Ali a swollen lip after hitting him with a punch he'd just told him he was vulnerable to. Or if the only footage of Pacman was of him getting sparked by a flyweight. Just imagine how the Mayweather fanboys would rip into them for that.

What we do have of Greb is footage of his opponents, like Mickey Walker, like Gene Tunney - I'm sure even you have conceded that Tunney was class - so we know how good they were and how good someone like Greb would have to have been to beat them. Eyewitness accounts and testimony from his opponents are unanimous in describing him as a whirlwind, very hard to hit, and with a huge punch output. Too unanimous for them all to be dismissed as hyperbole.

Yea you are right, I'm just going by what I've seen. I'm not going to pretend he's awesome just because everyone says he is. I'm really just poking fun at this video, because he does look pretty aweful for all the hype he gets.

I disagree with the poster who said anyone who boxes can see he moves around pretty well etc etc...based on THIS video, a lot of good amateurs are superior to him in the technical department.

Am I discrediting him? no, based on his resume he was a monster of his era.

[them_apples]

And that guy was p4p #1? Just shows how rubbish fighters from his era were. Anyone who thinks that bum would last 5 minutes with Sugar Ray Robinson needs to be locked away in a padded cell.

Good find.

He didn't' look awful, he was losing but didn't look like a fool swinging his arms around like a "mentally challenged person".

That counter comeback doesn't really work, because Floyd Mayweather still looked 10 times better than Greb did in that video.

[TheGreatA]

He didn't' look awful, he was losing but didn't look like a fool swinging his arms around like a "mentally challenged person".

That counter comeback doesn't really work, because Floyd Mayweather still looked 10 times better than Greb did in that video.

Atleast Greb wasn't getting beat up by a Paul Spadafora in that video nor did he lay on the canvas at the end of it.

[Brunswick Assassin]

Harry 'The Human Windmill' Greb is the man! Cursing there's no footage of him actually fighting. He would have been ferocious throwing continuous punches from every conceivable angle and ruining his opponets careers. Had one of the best chins in boxing history along with Ali, Toney and La Motta.

Guy had over 300 fights and fought the twilight of his career after losing sight in one eye. He still even put it over his opponents badly with one eye. This breed of fighter is no longer around with today's alphabet Champions quite content to defend their titles twice a year.

Greb at his peak would take out Mayweather, Pacman, De La Hoya and Cotto within maybe two months. No kidding!