Marciano was overrated and not an ATG.

[fight_professor]

Its widely known that RM wanted no part of Liston. Just today I watched SL v Patterson 2, Liston was a beast. He would have kept RM behind the jab and cut him to ribbons.

[Scott9945]

Its widely known that RM wanted no part of Liston. Just today I watched SL v Patterson 2, Liston was a beast. He would have kept RM behind the jab and cut him to ribbons.

This is one of the great boxing myths. I don't think that Liston was even a main event fighter when Marciano retired, let alone a top contender. Go check the timeline on this.

[Capaedia]

Its widely known that RM wanted no part of Liston. Just today I watched SL v Patterson 2, Liston was a beast. He would have kept RM behind the jab and cut him to ribbons.

When would they have fought?



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[JAB5239]

RM is an atg but he is overrated. He ducked Liston and would lose to most the atg tp 20 hw guys. too small and slow.

How did he duck Liston? People need to do their own research instead of believing and repeating what they hear on forums.

[JAB5239]

This is one of the great boxing myths. I don't think that Liston was even a main event fighter when Marciano retired, let alone a top contender. Go check the timeline on this.

You and I have seen this ridiculous claim for more than a dozen years. Any person with half asses knowledge knows it holds no merit. Hopefully this gentleman will look it up and see for himself.

[fight_professor]

I'll have a look. I must add Bert Sugar alludes to it in numerous interviews and appearences.

[JAB5239]

I'll have a look. I must add Bert Sugar alludes to it in numerous interviews and appearences.

When Marciano retired Liston was 13 fights into his career, had not fought a rated fighter and had lost to Mart Marshall because he clowned around and got his jaw broke. Liston would become a beast a few years later, but there was no call for a Marciano-Liston fight, though Im sure there was plenty of talk about what would have happened between the two once Sonny became prominent.

[billeau2]

I can't even stand to read this crap....****** ****** thread. The OP says he has films of all Marcianos fights...he should take a page from the book of the guy who analyzed the Floyd fight and analyze Marciano's fights...Marciano had plenty of skills. He would take most of these guys deep and inside and murder them before they could get enough distance to throw a jab....

Watch Marciano's vids to see how he deals with punchers, how he uses angles, his economy of movement, etc.

Was Marciano top a 5 Heavyweight? Probably not...Top 10? on some lists...but this guy could fight a lot better than the idiot brigade thinks. Marciano seldom took a straight shot...he was underrated defensively and Might have the best inside game of any heavy.

[billeau2]

{{{ "Marciano, like most white men, was a pathetically weak bum. }}}.... Dude that is the single most pathetic comment on any post I have ever seen in Boxing Scene, WEAK ?. are you sane ??>>> The one thing all real boxing fans acknowledge that there simply never has been a tougher and more durable HW than Rocky Marciano, that guy took some massive bombs and just walked through them, no one ever knocked him out.. go and play with you Lego set boy !!

Dude....This post is pure gold, I think I luv you!!!

Heres a bit of irony: If you watch films of Marciano he rolled a lot of those bombs he "took" He had excellent upper body (what we in the martial arts call tai sabaki) movement...imo better than Dempsey's.

[Anthony342]

When Marciano retired Liston was 13 fights into his career, had not fought a rated fighter and had lost to Mart Marshall because he clowned around and got his jaw broke. Liston would become a beast a few years later, but there was no call for a Marciano-Liston fight, though Im sure there was plenty of talk about what would have happened between the two once Sonny became prominent.

Yes and Liston had only 14 pro fights by the time Marciano announced his retirement. He couldn't have been a contender yet at that point in his career.