Top 10 Lightheavies All time

[Obama]

In bold are the fighters I disagree about being ranked higher than Norfolk. Others may be arguable with more research.

I don't think you can bold Qawi or McCoy, they regularly make top 10 lists. Fleischer rated McCoy #1 LHW.

The ones you bolded that I might support would be Eddie Cotton & Dariusz M.

[JAB5239]

I don't think you can bold Qawi or McCoy, they regularly make top 10 lists. Fleischer rated McCoy #1 LHW.

The ones you bolded that I might support would be Eddie Cotton & Dariusz M.

I would rank Norfolk over Qawi based on their respective competition. McCoy I would have to honestly look deeper into.

Looking over the names I bolded again I wouldn't rank him higher than Saad Muhammad. But I still can't find any way to justify Hill, DM, Cotton, Williams Moorer or Torres higher than him.

Im not saying you're wrong, but I am interested in why you would rank these guys higher my friend.

[Obama]

I would rank Norfolk over Qawi based on their respective competition. McCoy I would have to honestly look deeper into.

Looking over the names I bolded again I wouldn't rank him higher than Saad Muhammad. But I still can't find any way to justify Hill, DM, Cotton, Williams Moorer or Torres higher than him.

Im not saying you're wrong, but I am interested in why you would rank these guys higher my friend.

Qawi had excellent competition...and Saad Muhammad is his best win and you just changed your mind about ranking Norfolk higher than Saad.

Hill and DM get in for their title reigns, Moorer gets in because he knocked every LHW out he ever faced and was ducked by all the other champions because he was simply too damn good, Torres gets in for dethroning Fraud Willie Pastrano, and Cotton, well, Cotton in all honesty beat Torres and just so happened to be the 4th best LHW of his era after Moore, Charles, and Johnson.

Also, throw Georges Carpentier on my list of LHWs.

I could give a more serious explanation...but i'm tired and quite busy.

[JAB5239]

Qawi had excellent competition...and Saad Muhammad is his best win and you just changed your mind about ranking Norfolk higher than Saad.

Qawi's comp wasn't better than Saads or Norfolks in my opinion.

Hill and DM get in for their title reigns,

Come on my man, you know to well that a paper title means little compared to quality of opposition. Niether Hill's nor DM's compare to Norfolks.

Moorer gets in because he knocked every LHW out he ever faced and was ducked by all the other champions because he was simply too damn good,

Nope. Sorry my friend but my criteria must be different than yours. Fighters don't make all time great lists by who they didn't fight regardless of circumstance. If that were trhe case we coul;d probably make a case for Joe Mesi being one of the 25 best heavyweights ever.

Torres gets in for dethroning Fraud Willie Pastrano, and Cotton, well, Cotton in all honesty beat Torres and just so happened to be the 4th best LHW of his era after Moore, Charles, and Johnson.

Doesn't matter if he was 4th best of his era, his best wins and comp don't stack up overall.

Also, throw Georges Carpentier on my list of LHWs.

Gotta disagree again. Carpentier lost to most of the best fighters he faced.

I could give a more serious explanation...but i'm tired and quite busy.

*****, take your time and get back to me when you can . We're cool.

[Obama]

You're not properly evaluating the losses on Norfolk's record. High level of opposition is great, but when you've also lost to every great fighter you've ever faced, minus Flowers who he outweighed by at least 10 lbs, it doesn't mean a hell of a lot. He also lost to guys that Virgil and Dariusz never would have lost to. Specializing in beating mid level fighters is worth something.

Lastly, not everyone gets the luxary of fighting in a great era.

[Benncollinsaad]

I won't make any more lists so to avoid getting laughed at by such ignorants as JAB. Who btw thinks that the best fighters are the ones that have been on the ATG lists the longest amount of time! With such criterias, you are guaranteed a job in any rubbish American magazine.

[TheGreatA]

I wouldn't call Willie Pastrano a fraud. I actually uploaded his title bout with Harold Johnson a day ago:

[TheGreatA]

Jose Torres was a terrific fighter for a while but I agree he shouldn't rate too highly on the ATG lists. He himself said that he quickly lost his interest in boxing after capturing the title.

[roby_acer]

Kutos to the poster,Most people suck roy jones **** but you know your history man.

Archie Moore my number 1 all time

[GJC]

I agree 100% Charles and I don't think it's even close: 6-0 against my #2 Archie Moore!

Poet

Moore for me archie matured like a fine wine will admit to having a blind bias for Moore though!