best defensive boxer of all time

[kadyo's]

Been reading 3 pages of this thread and boy they are long responses from both sides so let's take a break and watch this devastating KO by Benitez over Hope.

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Been reading 3 pages of this thread and boy they are long responses from both sides so let's take a break and watch this devastating KO by Benitez over Hope.

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Heya there ol' pal!

Break? Fine with me! Long time coming!

Good thing you got that clip! It's the mental picture of Benitez that I referred to in one of my earliest posts in this thread.

Thanks!

[Hawkins]

No. Your tendency to take slants and sidesteps are showing up again. You will recall having owned up to having done that in this and other threads.

I did not say that it was implicit in your statement that Benitez was a wasted talent because he did not achieve what he was capable of-- although some people may take it that way. If one is a capable of achieving something and does not go out to achieve it, then the talent is wasted. That's clear.

But it is not what this response is all about. It is about my having asked you a series of questions and quoted your post then made the relevant passages in your post bold letters, to which you failed to specifically respond.

In previous posts you variously referred to problems of his as "prevalent", and referred to his bad "choices outside the ring". These are a few of the many that should be added to the "rumored problems" you referred to in the post that I quoted in my reply immediately preceeding this one. So I asked you, what were those problems?

Were those drugs? Attitude? If these were, did these not constitute a "wasting of talent"?

You'll have to forgive me. I get on here as a means of relaxation and to debate my favorite sport but my mind is not solely on the conversation at hand.

Anyway, the things that have been said about Benitez were his drug habits, his laziness in the gym, his lack of overall desire and an inability to get up from the dinner table. There are all things that have been leveled against him within his career.

Yes, you could look at it from a standpoint of wasted talent however I don't think it applies in this case because of his well stated accomplishments. I see the phrases of 'wasted talent' and 'not reaching a full potential' as two distinctly different things.

You did not address these questions and instead chose not to quote my post in your reply. Why? You've been quoting my posts all throughout this thread until then. Why stop? It is not as if you are not better than me in using the quote button. Your previous posts that contain multiple quotes are evidence of your skill. While I struggle to get around this site, techno-idiot that I am.

Be that as it may, I think it is best for purposes of clarity of our respective positions that you be responsive and not slant or sidestep the very points of contention that you yourself serve up.

That lack of quotations is attributed to having to change a diaper, no insult to you in any way.

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You'll have to forgive me. I get on here as a means of relaxation and to debate my favorite sport but my mind is not solely on the conversation at hand.

Anyway, the things that have been said about Benitez were his drug habits, his laziness in the gym, his lack of overall desire and an inability to get up from the dinner table. There are all things that have been leveled against him within his career.

Yes, you could look at it from a standpoint of wasted talent however I don't think it applies in this case because of his well stated accomplishments. I see the phrases of 'wasted talent' and 'not reaching a full potential' as two distinctly different things.





That lack of quotations is attributed to having to change a diaper, no insult to you in any way.

A good number will raise questions about your making distinctions about "wasted talent" and "not reaching full potential", but I shan't make myself one of them. Not because I agree with that distinction. It's a choice I can make and am making.

I too go on this site to relax and keep in touch with old e-friends such as kadyo (the one who called out the break in the earlier post), chups, papa ace, thrilla, suckapunch, runw/knives, yogi (I haven't seen him posting lately) and many others. I've been here some years, although there were months when I just took peeks at posts and news bulletins and did not post. That accounts for my relatively small posts record.

I am not pretty adept at anything techno-- poor should be my rating. But, for someone of my age and available time for this sort of thing, I think, I'll rate myself fair. Shameless, ain't I?

Anyhow, good talking to ya. Take good care of the baby; that's a precious one. My wife and I don't have any after 31 years of marriage.

Edit: I just noticed that the second quotation has the name, "them_apples". That's strange... I could have sworn I was the one quoted.

[kadyo's]

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Heya there ol' pal!

Break? Fine with me! Long time coming!

Good thing you got that clip! It's the mental picture of Benitez that I referred to in one of my earliest posts in this thread.

Thanks!

hehehe I know it's the mental picture you are referring to and I remember it like yesterday and I remember the manner he just stood up there with full macho bragadoccio not bothering to follow up. I also remember wilfredo being interviewed after the fight about that punch and he responded in choppy english " yeah, with that punch, he cannot stand" .

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hehehe I know it's the mental picture you are referring to and I remember it like yesterday and I remember the manner he just stood up there with full macho bragadoccio not bothering to follow up. I also remember wilfredo being interviewed after the fight about that punch and he responded in choppy english " yeah, with that punch, he cannot stand" .

Yeah, buddy. The punch was jaw-dropping (not only for Hope but to spectators as well) enough, the effect more so. But Benitez's demeanor was one of a kind!

Well... if it's not one of a kind, it's the only one I have seen.

[Hawkins]

A good number will raise questions about your making distinctions about "wasted talent" and "not reaching full potential", but I shan't make myself one of them. Not because I agree with that distinction. It's a choice I can make and am making.

I too go on this site to relax and keep in touch with old e-friends such as kadyo (the one who called out the break in the earlier post), chups, papa ace, thrilla, suckapunch, runw/knives, yogi (I haven't seen him posting lately) and many others. I've been here some years, although there were months when I just took peeks at posts and news bulletins and did not post. That accounts for my relatively small posts record.

I am not pretty adept at anything techno-- poor should be my rating. But, for someone of my age and available time for this sort of thing, I think, I'll rate myself fair. Shameless, ain't I?

Anyhow, good talking to ya. Take good care of the baby; that's a precious one. My wife and I don't have any after 31 years of marriage.

Edit: I just noticed that the second quotation has the name, "them_apples". That's strange... I could have sworn I was the one quoted.

To be quite fair sleep has been a rare commodity as of late which probably explains my lack of brain power this morning, but thats life. Usually I'm fairly sharp (hows that for shameless? ) lol

Well I'm new to the site. But it was good to talk with you. In my experience the vast number of people on these sites are unable to debate without resorting to name calling and using 'colorful metaphors'.

Thanks for the well wishes.

PS I fixed the quotation. Total airhead move on my part.

[kadyo's]

Yeah, buddy. The punch was jaw-dropping (not only for Hope but to spectators as well) enough, the effect more so. But Benitez's demeanor was one of a kind!

Well... if it's not one of a kind, it's the only one I have seen.

One of a kind indeed. Of lesser comparison is the way gatti danced away after delivering that vicious left to the body against leija.

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To be quite fair sleep has been a rare commodity as of late which probably explains my lack of brain power this morning, but thats life. Usually I'm fairly sharp (hows that for shameless? ) lol

Well I'm new to the site. But it was good to talk with you. In my experience the vast number of people on these sites are unable to debate without resorting to name calling and using 'colorful metaphors'.

Thanks for the well wishes.

PS I fixed the quotation. Total airhead move on my part.

I rated myself fair and you have just reminded me I don't go that high. I don't know how to fix anything on the net or anywhere/anything that has anything to do with it!

As for the denizens of BoxingScene, you should get to meet Yogi and several veterans (sad most of them do not seem to post much anymore.) Those fellas know what they're talking about and I haven't read anything in their posts that can be said as ones of the "color" one finds in the posts of others. Runw/Knives, chups, papa ace, kadyo and suckapunch can be scathing though, but only when sorely provoked. (Don't get on my face, now buddies!)

Don't know much yet about the new members.

See ya around...

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One of a kind indeed. Of lesser comparison is the way gatti danced away after delivering that vicious left to the body against leija.

Oh, yea! That Gatti dance... Ha! Ha! Ha! That was something!