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  • Originally posted by reedickyaluss View Post
    for me its pernell wink and floyd... but defensive master, has to be floyd... it just has to be
    Your boy Jones wasn't half bad at defense either.

    He really never got hit much until he got KTFO by Tarver/Johnson.

    Floyd might get the nod over those two just because he can elude and block very well, not just one or the other.

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    • Originally posted by DWiens421 View Post
      Never seen Willie Pep, and not very schooled on older fighters (as in, older than 1990), so...

      Elusivity - Whitaker
      Blocking - Wright
      Mix of the two - Mayweather Jr.

      Sound good? At least for best of the 90s/2000s?
      Whittaker should get the nod, period. He had a better mix of the two things than Floyd, too.

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      • Originally posted by DWiens421 View Post
        Never seen Willie Pep, and not very schooled on older fighters (as in, older than 1990), so...

        Elusivity - Whitaker
        Blocking - Wright
        Mix of the two - Mayweather Jr.

        Sound good? At least for best of the 90s/2000s?
        Man, if you like those guys you gotta check out some of the older guys. For someone similar to Whittaker you have a Noccolino Locche who was just a freak! Seriously, I guarantee you'll dig him Pep of course was truly amazing, though the ol' tale of him winning a round against Graves without throwing a punch is complete bull**** (as much for the fact that NO ONE could win against Graves without throwing one punch). That fight was actually a war which makes the tale that much more baffling! God knows where that tale came from...?

        As for the best of the nineties I think there is just a few that you've missed out on. James Toney is the obvious one who was easily as good as Mayweather, if not better, and is actually where Mayweather got a lot of moves from (supposedly). There were also a number of guys who were just as amazing like Herol Graham, Michael Nunn, Hopkins etc. There are many others that I can't be bothered thinking of at the moment lol The only thing these guys didn't have that Mayweather did, apart from Hopkins, was the mental discipline and comparatively easy opponents.

        Whittaker was a little bit more than just an elusive defensive genius. He just used that more than blocking because it made opponents look ****** and was more humiliating when they would swing wildly and miss every shot. If you see him standing in though he was as good as Wright in that department. Amazing natural talent.

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        • Originally posted by RightHandLead View Post
          Whittaker should get the nod, period. He had a better mix of the two things than Floyd, too.
          Yes, he was better than Floyd , much more natural talent, but I still think Locche was easily as good as Whitaker. They were very similar in their talents and methods. Very mocking, good at humiliating an opponent and entertaining a crowd. They could also both stand in and use glove defense with the absolute best of them.

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          • Never heard of Locce until you mentioned him, but I found this video on him and its extremely impressive.

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            • Originally posted by BennyST View Post
              Man, if you like those guys you gotta check out some of the older guys. For someone similar to Whittaker you have a Noccolino Locche who was just a freak! Seriously, I guarantee you'll dig him Pep of course was truly amazing, though the ol' tale of him winning a round against Graves without throwing a punch is complete bull**** (as much for the fact that NO ONE could win against Graves without throwing one punch). That fight was actually a war which makes the tale that much more baffling! God knows where that tale came from...?

              As for the best of the nineties I think there is just a few that you've missed out on. James Toney is the obvious one who was easily as good as Mayweather, if not better, and is actually where Mayweather got a lot of moves from (supposedly). There were also a number of guys who were just as amazing like Herol Graham, Michael Nunn, Hopkins etc. There are many others that I can't be bothered thinking of at the moment lol The only thing these guys didn't have that Mayweather did, apart from Hopkins, was the mental discipline and comparatively easy opponents.

              Whittaker was a little bit more than just an elusive defensive genius. He just used that more than blocking because it made opponents look ****** and was more humiliating when they would swing wildly and miss every shot. If you see him standing in though he was as good as Wright in that department. Amazing natural talent.
              I'll definately admit to not knowing a ton about Sweet Pea. I have only seen one of his fights in full (Chavez) and the end of Hurtado, along with assorted clips from the Ramirez fight.

              By the way, I don't think Mayweather took his moves from Toney, he got them from his daddy, who used the shoulder roll quite a bit in his career.

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              • Originally posted by DWiens421 View Post
                I'll definately admit to not knowing a ton about Sweet Pea. I have only seen one of his fights in full (Chavez) and the end of Hurtado, along with assorted clips from the Ramirez fight.

                By the way, I don't think Mayweather took his moves from Toney, he got them from his daddy, who used the shoulder roll quite a bit in his career.
                oh god. Now he's a historian. lol lol

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                • Originally posted by DWiens421 View Post
                  I'll definately admit to not knowing a ton about Sweet Pea. I have only seen one of his fights in full (Chavez) and the end of Hurtado, along with assorted clips from the Ramirez fight.

                  By the way, I don't think Mayweather took his moves from Toney, he got them from his daddy, who used the shoulder roll quite a bit in his career.
                  Well, have a look.


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                  • Originally posted by BennyST View Post
                    Yes, he was better than Floyd , much more natural talent, but I still think Locche was easily as good as Whitaker. They were very similar in their talents and methods. Very mocking, good at humiliating an opponent and entertaining a crowd. They could also both stand in and use glove defense with the absolute best of them.
                    Locche is definitely up there... He made Kid Pambele look like a stiff at times. Of all time, though? I'd pick Radar Benitez. So good at defense that it sometimes cost him fights... lol.

                    On the best of the 90's subject... I'd probably pick Herol Graham over James Toney.
                    Last edited by RightHandLead; 01-05-2008, 01:27 AM.

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                    • Originally posted by Sweet Pete View Post
                      Well, have a look.


                      As highlight videos often do... that made me say, "how the **** did that guy ever lose a fight?"

                      Jesus, I also remember seeing that one part where he made De La Hoya miss about 10 straight times at the end of the round, and then he played like he was stunned when the round was over.

                      Good ****!

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