Leonard-Duran I (1980)

[Thoth]

I don't discredit him as a fighter. I still have him in my top ten p4p, but I don't like his attitude, that's all.

"I'm cool with the dude for what he ya know actually DOES.... but nah **** him, he looked at me the wrong way!"

Fail.

[Panamaniac]

"I'm cool with the dude for what he ya know actually DOES.... but nah **** him, he looked at me the wrong way!"

Fail.

Luckily for him he didn't rub you the wrong way...

[QueensburyRules]

The fight was originally scored a split decision, later the cards were recalculated and changed to a Unanimous decision.
Duran won fair and square. No one at 147 could have
beat him that night.

- -Whupped poor Leonard from piller to post and had fun doing it.

Don't get any better...

[them_apples]

I've recently watched the whole 15 rounds of that fight, and to be honest with you, I didn't think Duran dominated Leonard as much as many people are saying that he did. In fact, IMO the fight could have went either way. I actually had Leonard winning the fight by a round! He landed more punches than Duran, and Duran did absolutely nothing in the 15th round. Plus Leonard was the champ and in my eyes Duran didn't "take" the title, especially since he let Leonard win the last round. I had it 144-143 for Leonard. So what do you guys think?

They both landed similar punches but Duran landed the harder ones. The fight was close for sure, but Leonards were desparate punches where as Duran was landing surgical punches and every so slightly imposing his will. Duran never really got hurt its mostly the commentating that tried to sell it. Duran never had a mark on his face. Leonard however got staggered a few times and nearly dropped. In some of the opening rounds Duran was landing vicious body shots, it almost looked as though Leonrd wasnt going to make it. So you can't really give it to Leonard. I think you are scoring fights with an amateur system.

[them_apples]

Tommy Hearns

nah Hearns wouldnt heave beat Duran that night. Hearns koed Duran years later at 154. Duran was partied out and overconfident after being the only guy to go the distance with Hagler and in his mind beat him. Duran barely trained for Hearns who had a stoppage loss to SRL. Duran straight up underestimated him.

Duran in 1980 was an entirely different animal.

[them_apples]

You've been exposed as a liar! I've never said Ali beat Frazier in the first fight.

I dont wanna be the devils advocate here, but Ali vs Frazier 1 is actually a draw. It doesnt look like it at first glance, but Ali rolls the majority of Fraziers punches until het got tired later and Frazier put a delay on his hook, Ali rolled to soon and caught the hook at the end, sending him down. If you look at their faces Frazier was eating punches all night - its just Ali's style didnt make him look good vs Frazier.

[QueensburyRules]

I dont wanna be the devils advocate here, but Ali vs Frazier 1 is actually a draw. It doesnt look like it at first glance, but Ali rolls the majority of Fraziers punches until het got tired later and Frazier put a delay on his hook, Ali rolled to soon and caught the hook at the end, sending him down. If you look at their faces Frazier was eating punches all night - its just Ali's style didnt make him look good vs Frazier.

- -Ali beat up bad out on his feet in sections and visibly flagging from the nonstop pace Frazier set.

Sorta like U never look good talking about boxing.

[Willie Pep 229]

I dont wanna be the devils advocate here, but Ali vs Frazier 1 is actually a draw. It doesnt look like it at first glance, but Ali rolls the majority of Fraziers punches until het got tired later and Frazier put a delay on his hook, Ali rolled to soon and caught the hook at the end, sending him down. If you look at their faces Frazier was eating punches all night - its just Ali's style didnt make him look good vs Frazier.

Maybe counting punches, or even trying to evaluate 'effective aggression' ** you can argue a draw . . . but IMO the 11th round assault and the 15th round KD made it Frazier's night; the decision was a fair one.

** never really could wrap my head around that phrase

[QueensburyRules]

Maybe counting punches, or even trying to evaluate 'effective aggression' ** you can argue a draw . . . but IMO the 11th round assault and the 15th round KD made it Frazier's night; the decision was a fair one.

** never really could wrap my head around that phrase

- -Clean punches used today that would eliminate half is TBE TUE "touch" arsenal from his punch stats.

[Dynamite76]

It was close, but Duran set the tone early. When he hit Ray with that tremendous shot in the 2nd round, probably won the fight there. That and Ray being scared s***less.

[Dr. Z]

Duran won the decision in the first fight. He average 60 punches thrown a round 21 of which landed to Leonard's 50 punches a round with 18 landed. The fight was close enough. Last time I watched it I had Duran by 2 points.

Duran took an early lead and Leonard adjusted too late. Leonard wanted to go toe to toe with the best Duran ever, instead of using his footwork and speed.

With Dundee in his corner, I expected more. Dundee did the famous " You're blowing it son" , vs. Hearns until Leonard realized he could not out box Tommy who had an unreal reach at his weight. He had to fight him.

In the rematch Leonard made the adjustments and badly out classed Duran to the point of quitting. IMO, Duran would have been knocked out that night had he not quit. Leonard was coming on, feeling very comfortable, and was showboating to the crowd.

[thebrownbomber_]

Great fight. I still had Duran winning by a round or two though.

[QueensburyRules]

In the rematch Leonard made the adjustments and badly out classed Duran to the point of quitting. IMO, Duran would have been knocked out that night had he not quit. Leonard was coming on, feeling very comfortable, and was showboating to the crowd.

-Ray was minutes away from getting shat on as documented by NJ commish Randy Gordon who was witness to the whole Duran prefight gorging and elimination post fight.

It behooves participants of this forum to stick to the facts lest unmentionables get stuck on you.

[ShoulderRoll]

- -Clean punches used today that would eliminate half is TBE TUE "touch" arsenal from his punch stats.

As usual you don't know what you're talking about, Queenfairy.

Floyd was the king of clean punching. Precisely placed potshots that weren't blockable and would visibly rock the heads back of his opponents.

[QueensburyRules]

As usual you don't know what you're talking about, Queenfairy.

Floyd was the king of clean punching. Precisely placed potshots that weren't blockable and would visibly rock the heads back of his opponents.

- -Indeed, artificially enhanced with U abundant ministrations .