Was ali as good as they say?

[Frazier's 15th round]

His resume isn't overrated, it's the fact that so many people genuinely believe that 60's Ali was untouchable. For my money, I'd pick Frazier to beat him around '69-'70.

[kayjay]

His resume isn't overrated, it's the fact that so many people genuinely believe that 60's Ali was untouchable. For my money, I'd pick Frazier to beat him around '69-'70.

Hell yeah.

[titoi]

Ali was like the Joe Montana of boxing - he wasn't necessarily the best at anything in particular but he was inevitably courageous and poised and he found ways to win when there really weren't any and faced defeat and difficulty with bravery. Few people would rate him below third best heavyweight or tenth greatest boxer of all time. It's sort of hard to see how he's overrated as a boxer.

Apart his notoriety as a boxer he played a very important - and divisive - role with respect to race, war and religion during a very turbulent time. So he also acted as one of the more socially important Americans of the last century. To me, he's a great American hero even though I hate the way he treated the valiant Frazier and felt his self-promotion wasn't particularly classy. He was a great boxer who as a man had the rare courage to back his convictions fully. He was flawed. Classic hero ;^>

[Lubutheimmortal]

I think he is overrated because a lot of people think he IS boxing.

But in the ranking of fighters thtough history, he is either #1 or #2 HW, which *roughly* means he beats everyone, or everyone except #1. So it's a bit hard to overrate someone who should be in that positions.

Well said I agree with you. I rank Louis ahead of a 60's Ali.

[wmute]

Well said I agree with you. I rank Louis ahead of a 60's Ali.

I personally rank Ali ahead, but I dont have a problem with Louis ahead either. To me it's such a close pick that it enters the realm of opinions.

[them_apples]

the 60's ali had a chin made out of butter

[StarshipTrooper]

the 60's ali had a chin made out of butter

And you, Sir, a brain made of mouldy oatmeal. You're statements on this thread and others leads me to believe you either know NOTHING about boxing or you're an ALT looking to stir up ****.

Poet

[them_apples]

And you, Sir, a brain made of mouldy oatmeal. You're statements on this thread and others leads me to believe you either know NOTHING about boxing or you're an ALT looking to stir up ****.

what the hell is your problem? I've tried ignoring you but it seems to me your the one who likes stirring up ****, you do it to other members to

you claim Im' a nuthugger to "newer fighters" (in other posts) which you seem to despise and nuthug yourself to old classics.

seriously man, give it a break if you don't agree with me then just lay off.

Maybe a 60's ali's chin isn't made of butter but It definitely wasn't anything great.

[StarshipTrooper]

what the hell is your problem? I've tried ignoring you but it seems to me your the one who likes stirring up ****, you do it to other members to

you claim Im' a nuthugger to "newer fighters" (in other posts) which you seem to despise and nuthug yourself to old classics.

seriously man, give it a break if you don't agree with me then just lay off.

Maybe a 60's ali's chin isn't made of butter but It definitely wasn't anything great.

Stop making outrageous, idiotic, and patently incorrect statements and I'll lay off. Read my signature: Fools are NOT suffered gladly.

Poet

[them_apples]

outrageous comments in your opinion, where is the freedom in that forum troll?

I bet your the type of guy who thinks a Joe Louis would KO a prime holyfield or Tyson

IMO thats just as outrageous