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  • Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
    First off, not losing in your prime isn't an automatic bid for greatness. How often was Dempsey actually fighting in his prime and (as I will get to) who was he beating?

    Second, there have been many heavyweights that looked unstoppable early in their careers. Again, that is hardly proof he belongs as highly rated as you believe him to be.

    But let's move on to the people Dempsey fought instead of Greb, that Greb had already beaten.

    Levinski - Dempsey fought and beat him 11-6-18. Greb beat him 8-6-18

    Billy Miske - Dempsey fought him 9-6-20. Greb beat him 3-31-19

    Brennen - Dempsey fought him 12-14-20. Greb beat him 8-23-19

    Gibbons - Dempsey fought him in 1923. Greb beat him in 1922

    Tunney - Dempsey fought him 9-23-26. Greb beat him 5-23-22

    Edit: And let's not forget about Willie Meehan
    - -Jack KOed your lineup for a more definitive result.

    The Meehan fights were 4 rd war fundraisers in the navy shipyard the very popular Wiie worked at. Willie also beat Sam Langford.

    Now, what about Tiger Flowers and the rest Greb lost to?

    You singin' Greb a bum in soprano now?

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    • Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
      - -Jack KOed your lineup for a more definitive result.

      The Meehan fights were 4 rd war fundraisers in the navy shipyard the very popular Wiie worked at. Willie also beat Sam Langford.

      Now, what about Tiger Flowers and the rest Greb lost to?

      You singin' Greb a bum in soprano now?
      You're conveniently missing the point. Greb had already beaten these fighters. So what reason was there for Dempsey to fight them and not Greb? I'll wait.

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      • Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
        You're conveniently missing the point. Greb had already beaten these fighters. So what reason was there for Dempsey to fight them and not Greb? I'll wait.
        - -U missed the bus again?

        Dempsey fought whoever Kearns and Rickard put in front of him until he left them both.

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        • Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
          First off, not losing in your prime isn't an automatic bid for greatness. How often was Dempsey actually fighting in his prime and (as I will get to) who was he beating?

          Second, there have been many heavyweights that looked unstoppable early in their careers. Again, that is hardly proof he belongs as highly rated as you believe him to be.

          But let's move on to the people Dempsey fought instead of Greb, that Greb had already beaten.

          Levinski - Dempsey fought and beat him 11-6-18. Greb beat him 8-6-18

          Billy Miske - Dempsey fought him 9-6-20. Greb beat him 3-31-19

          Brennen - Dempsey fought him 12-14-20. Greb beat him 8-23-19

          Gibbons - Dempsey fought him in 1923. Greb beat him in 1922

          Tunney - Dempsey fought him 9-23-26. Greb beat him 5-23-22

          Edit: And let's not forget about Willie Meehan
          Yes. Yes, we will. I'm surprised you'd even bring him up.

          Almost as bad is Levinsky, who fought Dempsey before he was Heavyweight king.

          The rest were developing fighters who fought Dempsey some time* after fighting (the older, more mature, though not Heavyweight champion) Greb. Not contemporaneously.

          *Remember, fighters didn't simply fight once every two years in that era. Men could easily fight a dozen fights a year. As such a fighter's career could change drastically, for better or worse, in that time frame.

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          • Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
            You're conveniently missing the point. Greb had already beaten these fighters. So what reason was there for Dempsey to fight them and not Greb? I'll wait.
            - -To add insult to your unhealed wounds, Jack fought Tunney twice and Sharkey, you know, the guy Wills ducked and the guy who beat Wills.

            Thought you was a full growed man no longer needing a daddy to hold your hand?

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            • Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
              - -U missed the bus again?

              Dempsey fought whoever Kearns and Rickard put in front of him until he left them both.
              Lol, you're a bit slow tonight. It's ok, I'll explain it slowly to you.

              It doesn't matter if it was Kearns, Rickard or Dempsey that didn't make the fights or took on softer comp while averaging a fight a year for five years. In the end it falls on Dempsey's legacy alone. You can't change the FACT he fought less deserving fighters instead of Greb and Wills. His line up was soft and oft beaten before he got to them, by better fighters he never faced. That reflects on his legacy whether you like it or not.

              That was as slow as I could type. I apologise if I went to fast for you.

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              • Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
                - -To add insult to your unhealed wounds, Jack fought Tunney twice and Sharkey, you know, the guy Wills ducked and the guy who beat Wills.

                Thought you was a full growed man no longer needing a daddy to hold your hand?
                Remind me again how long Wills was the number one contender when Dempsey skipped over him yet again to fight Tunney?

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                • Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
                  - -U missed the bus again?

                  Dempsey fought whoever Kearns and Rickard put in front of him until he left them both.
                  When you're hot you're scalding.

                  Your post gets to the pint if the matter: it wasn't Jack's job to line them up, it was his job to knock them down. Which he did. Marvelously.

                  Louis on the other hand waited until Schmeling was smelling of post- mortem rot.

                  Ali returned to face the embers of the once burning forge that was Frazier.

                  Foreman turned down MILLIONS yo fight Quarry, preferring a cast of bums that would make Louis blush.

                  You can't name half the people Holmes defended his belt against


                  Jack them at all

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                  • Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
                    - -To add insult to your unhealed wounds, Jack fought Tunney twice and Sharkey, you know, the guy Wills ducked and the guy who beat Wills.

                    Thought you was a full growed man no longer needing a daddy to hold your hand?
                    Remind me again how long Wills was the number one contender when Dempsey skipped over him yet again to fight Tunney?

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                    • Originally posted by Rusty Tromboni View Post
                      Yes. Yes, we will. I'm surprised you'd even bring him up.

                      Almost as bad is Levinsky, who fought Dempsey before he was Heavyweight king.

                      The rest were developing fighters who fought Dempsey some time* after fighting (the older, more mature, though not Heavyweight champion) Greb. Not contemporaneously.

                      *Remember, fighters didn't simply fight once every two years in that era. Men could easily fight a dozen fights a year. As such a fighter's career could change drastically, for better or worse, in that time frame.
                      I'm not following you here. Both Meehan and Levinski fought Dempsey less than a year before he won the tile from Willard.

                      On top of this Meehan had given Jack problems on more than one occasion.
                      Last edited by JAB5239; 03-20-2020, 11:23 PM.

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