your best of all time is..

[brownpimp88]

I'm back, i believe that you are #1 pound for pound until you lose. When Pernell lost to oscar, roy was handpicked as #1 pound for pound and he didnt lose it till he fought tarver. Right after that loss, b-hop got the spot for 1 year and now floyd has it. I dont care if people think pacman is number one pound for pound, he isnt getting it till floyd loses.

Dempsey is being ranked in the top 10 due to legacy. There is no ****in way you can convince me his opponents were better than the ones lennox fought, its not even a comparison.

Just get a normal boxing fan to watch dempsey in action and dont let them know its dempsey, i guarantee they will say he sucks ass. He is a brawler, its sad that guys like me, sir jose and dino are the only ones that recognize this.

[Rockin']

1. Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Robert Fitzsimmons
5. Sam Langford
6. Roberto Duran
7. Joe Gans
8. Benny Leonard
9. Jimmy Wilde
10. Mickey Walker


pound-for-pound = no natural heavies in my book.

I like that you included Jimmy Wilde. I have never seen a film of his but from everything that I have read about him he was a terror of a little man to be in the ring with................Rockin'

[Yogi]

I like that you included Jimmy Wilde. I have never seen a film of his but from everything that I have read about him he was a terror of a little man to be in the ring with................Rockin'

Rockin, I could upload a Jimmy Wilde fight for you if you like, although unfortunately it's of him when he was past it against Pancho Villa...Really good fight, though, from the available video I have of it, and the 6th round of that fight was truly something else as far as action, drama, momentum swings, or simply the amount of punches thrown by both fighters.

[Rockin']

Rockin, I could upload a Jimmy Wilde fight for you if you like, although unfortunately it's of him when he was past it against Pancho Villa...Really good fight, though, from the available video I have of it, and the 6th round of that fight was truly something else as far as action, drama, momentum swings, or simply the amount of punches thrown by both fighters.

Dude, that would be great. I read alot about Pncho Villa, what I could find atleast. I would love to see it, thanks alot man!!!!!!!! ........Rockin'

[hhascup]

Here it is here

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wD9A_n-MmfQ

By the way, I have Sugar Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Willie Pep, Ali and Joe Louis as my Top 5. That is not in no special order.

[Kid Achilles]

Looks to me like Wilde, who fought with his arms down with the intent of being ready to deliver combinations of uppercuts and hooks and to draw the opponent's punch, depended on his reflexes to slip punches and counter away and when those reflexes faded he was left with a style that left him vulnerable to a lot of punches. Even then he was still a force, tough as nails with a huge punch in either hand.

It's a shame how Pancho Villa ended his career and life. There's one guy who would have benefitted from fighting (and living) in a modern era.

[Yogi]

Here it is here

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wD9A_n-MmfQ

My computer says thank you for saving it the work, as do I.

[SABBATH]

Well yeah, that is true, and even Wills would agree with you as he always maintained that "it's not Jack's fault" that the fight didn't happen, but that "more blatant" comment of yours regarding that whole situation stuck out with me, so am I interpretating that the wrong way or something?

Every heavyweight champion has an asterik attached to his reign which makes comparisons fruitless.

Dempsey had periods of inactivity and didn't fight the top rated Wills. The length of his reign is therefore not comparable to a modern champion who would have to actively defend his title, including a once a year mandatory defence. I don't hold it personally against Dempsey but it does put an asterik on his reign IMO.

Louis had a 12 year reign which likely will not be broken in our lifetime, given the different standards that exist today. Louis had a 4 year hiatus, fought challengers that today's commissions would never approve of and didn't fight top ten black heavyweights. Again I don't hold it personally against Louis but again there is an asterik on his reign.

Larry Holmes had an impressive reign but again due to the fragmented WBC/WBA situation and Don King's control of both belts, Holmes often defended against inexperienced challengers instead of perennial contenders and talented fighters like Page and Dokes, nor did he rematch with fighters deserving such as Witherspoon and Weaver for example. Again, I don't hold it personally against Holmes but once again there is an asterik on his reign.

Each guy has different circumstances attached to his reign which is a reflection of the times in which he fought in.

[-Antonio-]

Calling him the best middleweight even though u never seen him fight, yeah thats fair to monzon and hagler. By the way he lost 21 times and had 19 draws. Half these guys boxed when the sport wasnt even technical, it was brawling.


There is a boxing historian sabbath mentioned before, this historian basically exposes those old guys as "bums" with no talent, i forget the guys name. Those old guys are not the best, i dont know when people will get it.

You cant rank greb if you never seen him fight, thats why ring magazine doesnt include old guys in thier lists cuz there is no footage of him. Boxing evloves just like every other sport, the way people boxed in the 1910's is not the same as how they boxed in the 60's and onwards, they improved the technique. Idiots will never get it.

I completely agree with what you say. I think the older fighters get way too much credit when people havent even seen them fight.

[-Antonio-]

Listen Ill say it right off the bat, most of you have 100 times more knowledge than me in the history of the sport. What I dont understand is why the guys from the 1800s to the early 1900s get so much credit. Discluding SRR and Pepp who I have seen. Is it because of the amount of fights they won? Why cant Leonard or Hagler be ranked higher than Greb or Langford?