** Top 10 HW's ATG...**

[brownpimp88]

The Flynn and Meehan losses and draws were supposedly fixed fights.

I think Dempsey's kind of overrated anyway.

He is, marciano and liston would pick him appart.

[brownpimp88]

First of all, Ezzard was a far better Light-Heavy than he was a heavyweight; but he hardly lost to "nobodies" before the ALS set in. Elmer Ray was a great fighter who was ducked by many...and that split decision was thought by many to be a "bad one", Rex Lane was a ranked contender as was Nino Valdes, even though Ezzard was past his best by that point. Walcott was a very good contender and some feel a vastly underated champion.

With Dempsey, so what if he lost a few 4 rounders in his early days....losing a 4 round decision is not the same thing as being knocked out once you win the championship..., or was stopped by a ranked contender in Jim Flynn...and that fight was supposedly fixed.

Lewis was stopped by two C+ fighters while he was supposedly the best....neither Dempsey nor Charles did that. It's one thing to lose on the way up, it's another to lose while you're "on top".

Dempsey lost to a light heavyweight twice and its cuz he was outclassed both times. The fighters in dempsey's era were smaller. Lewis was winning both of his fights before he lost and went on to avenge them.

[K-DOGG]

Dempsey lost to a light heavyweight twice and its cuz he was outclassed both times. The fighters in dempsey's era were smaller. Lewis was winning both of his fights before he lost and went on to avenge them.

Dempsey never lost to a C+ class fighter while he was on top....Lewis did it twice and in dramatic fashion.

...and if Tunney and Dempsey were fighting today, do you really think they'd be as small as they were then? Both had the frames to carry over 200 Lbs, there was just no need then becaue the extra weight would have slowed them down. Also, Dempsey was 32 and past his best when he lost to Tunney and was coming off a three year layoff....he wasn't in his prime.

[brownpimp88]

Dempsey never lost to a C+ class fighter while he was on top....Lewis did it twice and in dramatic fashion.

...and if Tunney and Dempsey were fighting today, do you really think they'd be as small as they were then? Both had the frames to carry over 200 Lbs, there was just no need then becaue the extra weight would have slowed them down. Also, Dempsey was 32 and past his best when he lost to Tunney and was coming off a three year layoff....he wasn't in his prime.

rahman is b level and both were fluke wins, it was proven in the end. Many champs back then lost to nobodies, braddock, carnera, sharkey have all lost to nobodies. Lets not forget the great henry armstrong, he was a rags to riches story for sure.

[K-DOGG]

rahman is b level and both were fluke wins, it was proven in the end. Many champs back then lost to nobodies, braddock, carnera, sharkey have all lost to nobodies. Lets not forget the great henry armstrong, he was a rags to riches story for sure.

Braddock, Carnera, and Sharkey are three of the the worst Heavyweight Champs of all time. Do you really want to compare them to Lewis??

[brownpimp88]

Braddock, Carnera, and Sharkey are three of the the worst Heavyweight Champs of all time. Do you really want to compare them to Lewis??

Gene tunney is an underachiever too if he lost to a middleweight. Those are the guys that joe louis beat, realistically louis's best wins are schmeling, baer and walcott, which is good but not as great as others. He is top 3 based on legacy just like dempsey is top 10 based on legacy. Lennox Lewis is a threat in every era.

[Yogi]

Braddock, Carnera, and Sharkey are three of the the worst Heavyweight Champs of all time. Do you really want to compare them to Lewis??

Umm...WHAT?!

[K-DOGG]

Gene tunney is an underachiever too if he lost to a middleweight. Those are the guys that joe louis beat, realistically louis's best wins are schmeling, baer and walcott, which is good but not as great as others. He is top 3 based on legacy just like dempsey is top 10 based on legacy. Lennox Lewis is a threat in every era.

To use what you said in the other thread, concerning Greb, you don't know how good he was; and Gene was a light heavy at the time, just like Tarver who lost to Hopkins or Maxim who was losing to Robinson before the heat got to him...and Tunney came back to best Greb on three other occassions. So, that means he dominated an ATG, not too shabby...and that's the ONLY loss on his resume.

Regarding Sharkey, Carnera, and Braddock, no arguement really except that Sharkey was well past his best when Louis beat him, as was Braddock. Louis's wins over Baer, Schmeling, Conn, Nova, Levinsky, Godoy, and Walcott, among others are all significant wins over A opposistion.

Lewis is a threat in any era based on his size; but because of his inconsitancey, he's also in danger of getting clocked in any era. Dempsey and Louis, head to head, would breakdown and top Lewis IMO.

[K-DOGG]

Umm...WHAT?!

Sharkey was one of the moodiest and inconsistant champs in history. He had a boatload of talent; but never had the right mindset to be dominant...that was his Achilles heel.

I'm wrong on this??

[brownpimp88]

To use what you said in the other thread, concerning Greb, you don't know how good he was; and Gene was a light heavy at the time, just like Tarver who lost to Hopkins or Maxim who was losing to Robinson before the heat got to him...and Tunney came back to best Greb on three other occassions. So, that means he dominated an ATG, not too shabby...and that's the ONLY loss on his resume.

Regarding Sharkey, Carnera, and Braddock, no arguement really except that Sharkey was well past his best when Louis beat him, as was Braddock. Louis's wins over Baer, Schmeling, Conn, Nova, Levinsky, Godoy, and Walcott, among others are all significant wins over A opposistion.

Lewis is a threat in any era based on his size; but because of his inconsitancey, he's also in danger of getting clocked in any era. Dempsey and Louis, head to head, would breakdown and top Lewis IMO.

yeah against sluggers he can lose but put him with volume punchers or boxers that are smaller than him and he'll own them. I dont consider levinksy and godoy as A level, they aint that highly regarded ok.

Baer, schmeling, conn and walcott are the a level wins.