Daily Bread Mailbag: Porter-Berto, Garcia-Thurman, Hurd, Lubin

By Stephen "Breadman" Edwards

The Daily Bread Mailbag returns with Stephen 'Breadman' Edwards discussing topics like the recently finalized fight between Shawn Porter vs. Andre Berto, Jarret Hurd's IBF junior middleweight title win over Tony Harrison, the welterweight unification between Danny Garcia and Keith Thurman, and more.

Porter will overwhelm Berto! Berto doesn't have the legs (strength, springiness or movement) to keep Porter off of him.

Bread’s Response: I guess that’s why Porter is being proposed as the favorite by Vegas. Those little old guys are right over 81% of the time. I haven’t really broken this fight down but Berto has been overwhelmed in the past. In the fights he has had trouble in it’s because of an overwhelming style where he was consistently put up against the ropes. Collazo, Ortiz, Guerrero and Soto Karass. It’s weird because Berto is super sharp. You would think it would benefit his style to fight fighters who came straight into him...

I suspect it’s because he’s explosive but not as physically strong as he looks. That’s the only thing I can come up with because he can punch a bit. And his uppercut is one of the best in boxing.

Porter is a flat out dog. He never stops trying and he has indomitable will. He’s also super strong with a good chin. For his style Shawn’s only two flaws are his punching inaccuracy and his defense. Shawn punches from so far out at times it makes him easy to counterpunch. Shawn can punch but he’s not a sharp shooter. If you watch his fights close he doesn’t land what you call sharp clean crowd friendly punches. It’s more of an overwhelming ass whooping that he gives out.

Offensive attacking fighters are easier to hit but Shawn can be hit a little more often than most of the elite with his style. So while Berto will probably be an underdog that’s where Berto bettors have hope. A fighter who can be hit clean can be outpointed and or damaged. Moment for moment Shawn is the more consistent fighter and I agree with him being the favorite but his defense may be a concern because of his propensity to cut and Berto’s uppercut and offensive talent. Uppercuts cause cuts because they scrape through the face…. This should be a great action fight. But hold your horses I haven’t heard much about this fight lately.

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Just read your MB, you were 'right on' regarding Hurd/Harrison!

I emailed you during the fight as Harrison who's a very slick fighter gassed out and Hurd came on to KO him.

Despite him losing I'm very impressed with Harrison who's a very good technical fighter.

Hurd's been able to out-muscle his opponents let's see how he does against jr middles who he can't outmuscle. I was impressed by his mental makeup and focus despite some good moments for Harrison in that fight.

With better endurance and more punching power Harrison can still contend or he should drop down to 147 or 140 if possible.

Deontay Wilder, is Deontay Wilder looks unimpressive then like a stick of dynamite he explodes and takes his opponents out.

Don't know what make of Breazile, that dude is getting bigger and bigger. The African fighter he fought was too muscle-bound and the demand those muscles place on the body during a fight sapped his stamina.

Bread, I don't think a lot of fighters know that when you put a lot of stress on the heart, that the heart being an organ and a muscle undergoes micro tears in the muscle that are repaired during rest and sleep. If those micro tears are not repaired which happens if the fighter doesn't rest/sleep enough, those tears increase in size and cause the heart to perform inefficiently, and can cause arrhythmia reducing both aerobic and anaerobic capacity causing the fighter gas out.

Bread’s Response: Harrison is a dam good fighter. He has fast hands, a good jab, a good right hand and he knows how to box. But his stamina is poor and it directly affects his chin. I feel bad for the kid. This is the 2nd time he was almost to the finish line and he was kod after an early lead. This reminds of Jermaine Taylor but Taylor was a level above.

You have to give Hurd credit because he has staying power. Being outboxed and tagged didn’t discourage him. He showed a chin, stamina and character. Congrats to the new champ.

Emanuel Steward once told me that tall skinny fighters overtrain when they train longer than 5 weeks for a fight. I was amazed by his take but I took his word. We even talked about how good Harrison was back in 2012. He told me their bodies can’t hold the carbs in order to fight long and hard if they train too long. When I broke down the fight I couldn’t help but think about what he had told me. Steward trained lots of tall skinny fighters……

Harrison could never drop down to 147 or 140. If he doesn’t have an energy supply at 154 no way would he have one at 147 or 140. He wouldn’t be able to walk to the weigh in if he fought at those weights. He may just have to turn into Gerald McClellan and try to kill guys in the first 3 rounds. I think 12 round fights will always be a problem for him especially at a threatening pace. I say threatening because Hurd was not pressing super hard, he was just steady and threatening.

Wilder is Wilder. He’s not a great boxer so despite his size and reach he loses lots of rounds considering….But he is cat quick for his money punch. He steps in correctly with his 1-2 and it’s deadly. Whoever he hits with that shot he’s going to hurt. His reign should be fun.

Brezeale is limited as far as talent but boy oh boy does he have heart. He has next level will and heart and until he becomes shot it will keep him in fights. He has no quit in him. Good for him because the kid is maximizing his talent and then some.

You’re right about the heart. One thing that tips me off about a fighter’s rest is his social media. When I see a fighter posting all times of day and night I know he’s not resting properly. I even go further. I suggest to fighters to not sit up in the bed bending their neck and back looking at their phones or computers because it’s not a proper rest position. They should lay on their sides, backs or front but sitting up in the bed bending their spines is a no-no.

The announcers said in Harrison’s fight that he was walking around eating a bunch of candy. If he was that provides a sugar rush. No way he was able to rest and sleep with a sugar rush and the anxiety of fighting for a title. Good pick up.

I’m so impressed with your breakdowns of Ward vs Kovalev, Pedraza vs Davis, Garcia vs Zletician, Santa Cruz vs Frampton and now Hurd vs Harrison I have to ask about Garcia vs Thurman. I would have been wrong about everyone of those fights had I not read your mailbag first. I know Danny is your boy from Philly but keep it real for me Breadman!

Bread’s Response: Thanks man but I’m wrong sometimes also. I say between 75-80% I’m correct so that leaves 20-25% I’m wrong. So don’t get pissed if I don’t call one.

I actually would not bet on this fight. It’s really that close in my opinion. If I were to bet I would bet the over. I think it’s going the distance. Actually that will be my bet. But here is my breakdown.

Danny Garcia is a stalking counter puncher. He’s not a pressure fighter and he’s not a pure boxer puncher. He’s sort of a hybrid. He’s a high contact guy who wants you to punch so he can find a spot and clip you. His IQ and instincts are elite because at some point in his career he found this knack of punching while his opponent’s were punching and he was able to replicate it when he needed to do it. Some fighters do things and they are never able to replicate the moves. Danny is special.

I agree with Amir Khan when he says Danny looks easy but he’s not. Danny does not jump out at you doing the eye ball test. He’s flat footed, squared up and he doesn’t have slick defense, elite athleticism or fast hands. So people often pick against him because they just don’t understand why he wins. But I do. His sum total outweighs his parts.

Thurman is a heavy handed skittish boxer puncher. He reminds me of Acelino Freitas. Watch Freitas and tie a pony tail on his head and you will see Thurman. Thurman has a distinct foot speed advantage in this fight. But his feet can be taken advantage of. He comes off the turn wide not sharp. Danny can catch him in exchanges.

Thurman has a heavy hook and right hand. And he can counter punch. Offensively he’s really, really good. He also has a way of showing a hook to the head and delivering a nasty shot to the body. No one ever goes to Danny’s body. I think both fighters will have success with body punching.

If Thurman was an in the box fighter I would pick Danny easy. But he’s not and Danny is not a tracker. Danny’s not a hunter so he can be outboxed in spots. I suspect their punching power is even but Danny is physically stronger. I suspect their reflexes are even but Thurman has the faster body. I think Danny can absorb more physical punishment. I look for Thurman to move and win rounds. And I look for Danny to be calm and slowly work him self in the fight. I say he visibly hurts Thurman or drops to win a highly controversial decision. Danny Garcia by SD in a tactical tense shootout.

How come there are no talks of Justin Deloach fighting Erickson Lubin? Lubin seems to have the red carpet rolled out for him and he gets to skip the tough prospect fights while Deloach is on a killer schedule. Why is that and who would you pick if they fought?

Bread’s Response: Good question. There are few reasons why Deloach has had it harder than Lubin. One is because Deloach was kod a few fights ago and in this era when a fighter gets kod the powers that be don’t take it easy on them. They match them tougher in order to see if their investment will produce. So Deloach was matched insanely tough after a ko loss. And he did nothing but deliver.

I also believe when a prospect has the “it” factor they are matched easier because the powers that be believe they have “it”, so they don’t risk “it”. Fighters like Deloach have to prove themselves in the ring. Deloach has talent but he wasn’t the highly touted amateur that Lubin was. It doesn’t mean that Deloach can’t have a better career than Lubin, it just means he won’t have it as easy.

I read somewhere that Deloach called Lubin out. Deloach is one of my favorite young prospects. He has shown a tremendous amount of character to win the fights he has won vs more experienced prospects on the Bside. Going by his poise and the way he handcuffs southpaws I would say it’s a 50/50 fight and more importantly Deloach deserves a chance at a kid like Lubin. If Deloach has to risk his career and fight these tough fights where he is the underdog and in the B corner. He may as well get a shot at the Prospect of the Year and the best prospect in his division.

Unfortunately for Deloach, it looks like Lubin will fight for a title this summer if he wins this weekend, which I think he will. And Justin Deloach will most likely have to fight another tough fight. But something tells me he doesn’t mind.

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User Comments and Feedback (Register For Free To Comment) Comment by ShoulderRoll on 03-04-2017

Interesting take about tall, skinny fighters overtraining if they train for more than 5 weeks. Something to keep an eye on to see how many times it proves true or not.

Comment by Zaroku on 03-04-2017

Thurman is gonna beat up Garcia.

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