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Daily Bread Mailbag: Pacquiao-Broner, Wilder-Fury, Spence, More

By Stephen "Breadman" Edwards

The Daily Bread Mailbag returns with Stephen "Breadman" Edwards tackling such topics as Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury, Manny Pacquiao vs. Adrien Broner, Mikey Garcia vs. Errol Spence, and more.

If feels like to me they are setting Adrien Broner up. All I keep hearing about is who Pacquiao will fight next. We know that Broner has had is problems with Mayweather Promotions and Broner is fighting Pacquiao on a Mayweather Promotions card. I feel like Broner is in a no win situation because the inevitable Mayweather vs Pacquiao rematch is what everyone really wants.

Bread’s Response: I feel like you are exactly what is wrong with this era. Who cares if everyone wants Pacquiao to win? It’s up to Broner to upset their plans. Do you think Ali cared when he fought George Foreman and his promoter at the time Don King was picking Foreman to beat him? Do you think Ali cared that Foreman had kod two fighters in Joe Frazier and Ken Norton that Ali struggled with.

You sound like a SIMP my man. Set up is big word. And unless the judges are being paid off and Pacman is allowed to wear 8oz gloves while Broner is required to wear 10oz then this is not a set up. This is an opportunity. There is an A side and a favorite in every fight.

In Broner’s last 3 fights, he has a draw vs Jesse Vargas. A bad loss to Mikey Garcia. And a controversial split decision win vs Adrian Granados. Now he’s being rewarded with his biggest career payday  vs one of the most popular fighters ever. Did I mention that Broner is getting a title shot at welterweight without winning any big fights or eliminators?

Pacquiao is 40 years old and he has 69 fights. About 25 of those fights have been against killers. Broner is 29 years old, he’s bigger, longer and fresher. The fight will be here in America. If Broner is the HOF level fighter he says he is he should win. This is NOT a set up. It’s a good fight for both of them.

I assume you’re one of those know it all millenials. I wish someone SET me up the way you claim Adrien Broner is being set up. This is a winnable fight for him, Pacquiao is about 65% of what he was in his prime and he’s at least 7 years past his best days. If Broner were being forced to fight Errol Spence for 250k I would say that’s a set up. But this is not a set up my man.

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Dear Mr. Edwards,

You've written many interesting articles but a couple of your prejudices are repeatedly showing.

One:  Canelo did NOT beat triple GGG in either fight and especially not in the second one.  At one point, I think in the 10th round, he was almost out on his feet.  I've seen this kind of durability--especially in Pryor's fights against Arguello.  That kind of take-anything-shot ability is usually drug-related.  I think at the time there were stories on a bottle with strange liquids at ringside for Pryor. 

I notice that in the 2nd fight, Canelo's stamine problems around the 6th/7th round was absent.  In fact, he made it to the end without signs
of any sort of fatigue.

Any fair assessment of the fight would have had triple GGG winning.
Atlas had the fight 117-112 for GGG.

It is shameful that a good guy and gutsy fighter should have the championship ripped from him simply because the other guy is younger, Mexican; and with a longer, more money-producing future ahead of him.

Shame of you for supporting this sham.

Yours truly,
Peter Stark

Bread’s Response: Are you trolling me?

I’ve never said Canelo beat GGG. I thought GGG won the 1st fight and the 2nd I thought was a draw but I can see why Canelo got the edge. I’ve also openly stated that I feel Canelo is a PED user and despite having a clean system for the 2nd fight, once you peak out on PEDs then you’re always a cheater in my mind. But most don’t care about PED use in boxing. Only the team members of the clean fighters who had to face the cheaters.

I haven’t supported any sham. I think you’re blinded by your love for GGG. GGG didn’t win the second fight 117-112. That would mean he won 9 rounds and he barely won 6. He had to come on late to make it close.

I can’t micro analyze when Canlo gets tired and when he doesn’t. Because every fight is different. Every camp is different. And although Canelo has used PEDs in the past, he tested properly in this fight. There is nothing more you or anyone can do about that. You have to live with the decision. GGG didn’t get robbed. It was a razor close fight. Period.

I do feel that GGG was historically screwed over. But I’m not going to cry for him. This is boxing and he’s been paid handsomely. GGG was ducked by Felix Sturm, Sergio Martinez and Miguel Cotto. Canelo put the fight off until after GGG struggled twice then decided to make the fight. Most people thought GGG won the draw then Canelo tested positive twice before the rematch. That sucks for GGG. But what do you want me to do? Write him a eulogy. Well I’m not going to do that either. Hopefully GGG gets remembered for being a great fighter.

Dear Sir;

I seemed to have forgotten #2 in my previous e-mail...

Your second prejudice is related to Ward.  He certainly lost the first fighto Kovalov (a Russian will never win in the US against a black fighter); but Kovalov was also winning the 2nd fight until the referee allowed continuous low blows by Ward.  The most ridiculous thing I've seen in my seventy years.  Mind you, Kovalov should've man'd up and just clobbered Ward in the balls too.  Of course, he probably knew that he'd be instantly disqualified.

Ward was always a dirty fighter who hit as often with his elbows as with his gloves.  You never seem to mention that...

Yours truly,

Peter Stark

Bread’s Response: You’re on a roll today. And to top it off you go racial. Did you say a Russian would never get the win vs a Black fighter in the US? GGG won a close decision over Danny Jacobs in New York and Jacobs is from New York. In one statement you accuse me of not being fair to GGG not you conveniently overlook GGG in your comment. You know I wouldn’t let something like that pass.

I openly admit the 1st Ward vs Kovalev fight was razor close. At the final bell I had no idea who won. It was that close. But Ward got the decision and he gave Kovalev an immediate rematch. That’s all you can ask of a real fighter.

I don’t know if Kovalev was winning the rematch. I thought he was winning his share of rounds but I’m not sure he was winning. It was very close I will say that.

We will agree on one thing. Kovalev should have hit Ward back low. Kovalev is supposed to be this sinister killer. He’s supposed to be the meanest man in boxing. Well why not hit a man low who is hitting you low? That’s what killers do right?

I don’t view Ward as DIRTY. I view him as rough and a little chippy. All great inside fighters are rough and chippy. I can’t think of one who wasn’t for the exception of James Toney because Toney never held. But he’s an anomaly. Toney is not a clincher or grabber. He sits on the inside to be offensive. Ward can grapple. He’s more like Duran than he is Toney on the inside.

Ward realized Kovalev couldn’t fight in there and he took advantage. And now you’re mad. Kovalev is a supreme OUT FIGHTER. So he has 2 choices. Learn to tie Ward up better ala Ali or get better conditioned to keep Ward outside. Ward adjusted better from fight 1 to fight 2.

Greetings Breadman,

Thanks for the column. I'm learning a lot and watching older fights I would have passed over if not for the Daily Bread.

My question is about a prospective Spence vs  Crawford bout in late 2019 or 2020.

On the docket, Errol has Mikey Garcia, either Porter or Keith Thurman, and maybe someone from 140 like Regis Prograis as his next fights. Crawford has Luis Collazo, Egis Kavaliauskas, and maybe Manny Pacquaio. Obviously, Spence has a better plate to clean and assuming he does, Crawford could be a HOF legacy fight or even a trilogy.

How do you think the quality of competition will affect the growth of the fighters, especially since Spence is younger? Do you think a lack of suitable competition will affect Crawford and put him at a disadvantage for their fight? I think Spence would be coming in hot against a Crawford heading for his mid-30s and would be too much. Now, I think it's a pick 'em.

Thanks,

Nick

Bread’s Response: Quality of competition does affect growth. But sometimes when a fighter has IT he will get what he needs from the gym and whoever you put in front of him. Kell Brook was more experienced than Spence but Spence operated better in the later rounds.

I get what you’re saying but who knows if the future fights will play out like you stated. It’s too hard to determine. I will say if I was Crawford I would be going after the fight now. But I doubt if he has any luck.

I would like to see Spence vs a few more elite fighters but I don’t see Spence getting those kinds of fights in his current form. If he gets hurt, or dropped or gets held to a close decision then he will get better fights. But until then he won’t. It’s really that simple. Spence will have to look vulnerable like GGG did vs Kell Brook in order to get the fights he wants.

Can you explore the interplay between fighters that get penalized for chasing greatness and those that wait for ideal opprtunities when trying to portray great? Seems like discretion is the better part of valour in a sport that should embody valour.

Also, how good was James J Braddock when we look st the lineage of heavyweights.

Lastly, Dempsey vs Liston and Greb vs Robinson. Who ya got?

Thanks bro,

J

Bread’s Response: It’s the dilemma that real fighters have in this era. Especially after a loss. They say to themselves do I take tough fights and try to be a HOF. Or I do I simply wait and wait and if I fall into a winnable tough fight then so be it but if I don’t so what. My record is pretty. This is the unspoken motto of this era. But some guys do chase greatness and more respect to them.

I can see when a fighter wants to fight and I can see when one is cherrypicking the ride. I may not call everyone because I don’t want to be reckless with something I can’t prove. But when you know, you know.

I will give you a list of fighters from division to division that embody valor in my opinion. SRR, Juan Estrada, Roman Gonzalez, Monster Inoue, Nonito Donaire, Abner Mares, Tevin Farmer, Vasyl Lomachenko, Mikey Garcia, Adrien Broner, Manny Pacquiao, Kell Brook, Devon Alexander, Terence Crawford, Errol Spence, Jarrett Hurd, Erislandy Lara, Julian Williams, GGG, Canelo, Badou Jack, Jean Pascal, Sergey Kovalev, Elieder Alvarez, Murat Gassiev, Ollie Usyk, Deontay Wilder, Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua.

I know I missed more than a few. But off the top of my head those are fighters that I have noticed that are willing to take and have taken fights they didn’t have to take. Fights that others would have turned down. And they consistently test themselves vs the best instead of trying wait out opportunities especially in their primes. Most importantly they don’t care what anyone has to say for the most part. Real fighters will do real things.

James Braddock was a solid capable fighter. He was the sort of fighter who didn’t have a pretty record but he was very capable on his given night. He actually started out 24-0 which is exceptional in the era he fought. He went on a terrible mid career crisis where he accumulated 90% of his losses then he hit the jack pot and beat Max Baer in a huge upset. Braddock was tough as all get out only being stopped from a punch once in career by the best puncher ever.

There was a lot going on in those times and it’s obvious Braddock had personal issues outside of the ring that caused his mid career slump. As far as heavyweight lineage he’s not in the top 10, 20 or 30. But he did put it together for one night and in a head to head since I think he matches up well with many top fighters who hover around 180lbs.

I would take Liston to beat Dempsey. Dempsey had a ferocious swarming style but I just can’t see him getting past Liston’s jab. I think Liston’s skills were too modern and advanced for Dempsey although Dempsey is probably viewed as the better fighter for his era. It seems that the 1920s is the cutoff point where the better fighter’s styles evolved into what we see today.

Going by Greb’s resume he could be the best fighter ever. I’m serious when I say that. His accomplishments are breath taking. No matter how you view his record and the accounts vary it’s one of the more highly regarded records ever. So let’s just go by 107-8-3. That’s an unreal record considering the times. Considering a fighter was old at 29. Considering there was only VALOR level matchmaking and the gloves were 6oz and very soft.

Greb had a record just as good as Robinson’s. He also had the same type of insane toughness. Greb was only stopped twice. Once due to injury. The other due to him being clipped early as a teenager. He weighed 142lbs and his opponent weighed 156. Factoring in his come forward style, that is amazing.

I rate Greb really high on every criterion except the eye ball test. There is no known footage of him. So I can’t say he would beat Ray Robinson if I can’t see him fight. I did see some of the men he did beat and I will say he may have been too big for Robinson. Once Greb settled into his 20s he would have been a super middeweight by today’s standards where as Robinson would have been more of a welterweight and super welterweight during his prime years. That’s a big difference.

I also factor in Greb has wins over some of the best lightheavyweights and heavyweight of his time. Tommy and Mike Gibbons had a stellar records as did Gene Tunney. If you throw in Tommy Loughran, Mickey Walker, Maxie Rosenbloom, Tiger Flowers and Kid Norfolk. You have possibly the best resume ever. Considering that Greb was able to defeat or strongly compete with men who would either win or compete for the heavyweight title is astonishing.

After careful study I think Greb was more of a lightheavyweight. Most of his best work was done over 160lbs. Where as Robinson’s best work was done below or at 160. It’s a fascinating fight to ponder but I would have to talk to or see objective expert testimony to make a decision on who would win. And anyone who saw Greb fight live is dead. So…

Hello Bread,

1. I wanted to get your views on Carlos Monzon. He was definitely a road warrior who went out of his comfort and fought outside of his country, though the fact that he was neither American nor British may have something to do with it. The market in so much bigger in US and UK that they go there eventually for the money. Having said that, he did fight on the road quite a bit. He alo defeated Griffith, Napoles, Briscoe and Benvenuti. Being great and being best are two different things. I would say the best till date at 168 is Roy Jones but the greatest till date is Joe Calzaghe. People often conflate the two. I am not as confident when Cliff Rold or Doug Fischer say he would beat Jones at 160. Do you think he can beat Jones at 160? I know you rate Hagler and Ray Robinson above Monzon in your list of greatest middleweights but how do you think those fights would have gone?

2. What exactly went wrong for Chavez against Whittaker. I scored it 116-112 for Whittaker. Could it have gone differently had it happened 135 or 140? I do feel weight class affect fighters differently. Having said that, was it part of the reason Chavez lost? I want to know your take on the fight.

3. Hanzagod vs Lee Wylie vs Reznick - Rank them on their content. I like Hanzagod, though Wylie and Reznick maybe more knowledgeable.

3. Leonard vs Hearns 2 - I had it 6 rounds each but I still do not know how to score that fight. The first knockdown that Hearns scored in Round 3, he didn't exactly hurt Leonard and Leonard fought back well after the knockdown. Leonard fought back even better when he was knocked down in Round 11. If there was ever a round without knockdown that deserved to be scored 10-8, it was Round 5 and while Round 12 was not exactly like Round 5, Leonard did put a beating on Hearns. I scored it a draw. I scored both Rounds 11 and 12 - 10-9 only and Rounds 3 and 5 - 10-8. If it was up to me, I would score Round 3 - 10-8.5 for Hearns, Round 5 - 10-8 for Leonard, Round 11 - 10-8.5 for Hearns and Round 12 - 10-8.5 for Leonard. This would give Leonard a victory by 0.50 points. I think the boxing scoring criterion style should be changed and the type of scores I mentioned above should be allowed. Do you agree and if not then why? Anyway, how do you think that fight would have gone if they had to fight 3 more rounds (15 rounds fight)? Something tells me, Leonard would have won a razor thin decision. I do not think Hearns would have been knocked out. He was way more sturdy at 168 and 175.

It just occurred to me, Leonard was a great finisher in another way. He was not only great at finishing fights when he hurt his opponent, he delivered when he needed a big closing. Case in point, Round 12 of Leonard-Hearns rematch and closing rounds of his first fight with Duran.

Regards,
Saurabh Kumar

Bread’s Response: 1. I see you have looked at my twitter. You must’ve saw that Cliff and Doug picked Monzon to beat Jones at 160. I am big Monzon guy but I can’t call that fight. Monzon is a rough out for anyone in history circa 160. He has a legit shot to beat everyone head to head. His jab and right hand were like shot guns. He was tall, he was physical and he was beyond mean in a boxing ring. Man I just don’t know. I can see both winning. Monzon’s jab and right hand up the middle all night would just be murder on Roy…

I did rate Hagler and Robinson over Monzon on my all time middleweight list. Wow I’m surprised you remember that list. As you stated being the greatest and the best is not exactly the same thing. I thought that Robinson and Hagler both fought tougher opposition before and during their title reigns therefore I gave them the slight edge over Monzon.

This may seem like a cop out but I don’t know who wins those fights on their best days. They are all really close. I feel like Monzon has a big size advantage over Robinson. But Robinson was murder on upright linear fighters. Robinson would have a big speed advantage over Monzon. Both were murderous punchers with iron chins.

Hagler may have been a little too busy for Monzon but I just don’t know. Hagler was a little more dominant. Monzon had some close calls during his reign were as Hagler only had one. But most people would take Monzon over Hagler head to head. I’m not so sure because Griffin, Briscoe and Valdes all gave Monzon close scraps. Hagler was better than all of them at middleweight, only Griffin can argue.

2. I give Whitaker full credit for that win. That was not a draw. But I think Chavez was on the other side of his peak. Chavez did well early but he just couldn’t keep up with the bigger, younger, fresher Whitaker. It was a case where Whitaker was still at his apex, Whitaker didn’t start slipping until 95. And Chavez was on the other side of his prime. It was also a case where Chavez was never a welterweight. He weighed 142lbs for the Whitaker fight. Whitaker although he started out at 135, like Floyd Mayweather he gave peak performances at every weight he campaigned at.

On top of that Chavez may not have been able to beat Whitaker on his best day. But he surely wouldn’t beat him after 87 fights, at 147.

3. I love Hanzagod, Lee Wylie and Reznick. I really don’t want to rank them.  Lee Wylie is my guy and we dm and talk on twitter. He’s one of the best at breaking down a fight I have ever saw. I don’t trust anyone’s eyes over mine. But I will defer to Lee. That’s how good he is. I watch that new Diego Corrales video every day. I also watch the TAO of Duran. Lee’s music is awesome.

Hanzagod is the truth also. He actually made a video of Julian Williams which I loved. I watch his stuff often also.

Reznick made 4 videos I just can’t get over. Sonny Liston, George Foreman, Ali and Rocky Marciano. All of those are FIRE.

All of 3 of those guys are great. I can’t choose.

4. I never argue over Leonard vs Hearns 2 because Leonard has said that Tommy won the 2nd fight. But before he said that I used to say to myself and people who I respect that if you score the 5th and 12th rounds 10-8 for Leonard then the fight is a draw. Leonard had Hearns visibly wobbling and hurt and both were reasonable 10-8 rounds without a knockdown.

Everyone talks about Hearns scoring 2 knockdowns. But everyone forgets that Leonard had Hearns out on his feet in the 5th and 12th.

Leonard is among the greatest finishers ever. His late round fighting ability is top 5 ever. He stopped Benitez in the 15th. No one remembers this but the Duran1 fight was considered controversial “when” it happened because Leonard closed the 13th, 14th and 15th. Leonard came back like a dragon in Hearns 1 and no one remembers he had a huge 11th vs Hagler that basically sealed the fight. Leonard had an Ali like clutch gene late in fights. Besides James Toney I can’t think of a better late round fighter in my lifetime.

Hearns had outgrown Leonard by 1989. He was just a much bigger man. Leonard put on artificial weight to fight at supermiddleweight. Hearns grew on to be a cruiserweight. So he had a big physicality advantage. But Leonard just had better late round stamina. He was just functioned better late. Hearns could never beat him in a 15 round fight.

Hi Bread

I rate Adam Booth as a trainer in the highest regard, his record is impeccable.

What type of trainer or coach would you categorise him as, what do you think makes him special, what could he do better?

What did you make of him changing Andy Lee's style so late in his career? I heard Lee say it was heart breaking training to change his style that drastically that late...

You're the man, wish you good luck this week

Bread’s Response: I think Adam Booth is an excellent coach. I have heard him talk and he’s very knowledgeable about sports science. He also puts together nice punch sequences for his fighters.

I consider Booth a multifaceted coach. I see some coaches who don’t really work in the gym. They tell you what to do and that’s that. Those type of coaches need a fighter with a great work ethic and a hands on conditioning coach. From what I see in Booth he can do it all. I think he’s one of the top 10 coaches in the sport at this moment.

I won’t say what he could do better because I’m not in the gym with him. Looking from the outside and looking from the inside are different. I don’t know what problems his fighters have in the gym on a day in and day out basis. It’s really tough to assess if you aren’t there because trainers go through so much that the public does NOT see. Overall Booth is doing a great job.

I think Booth did Lee good. Lee was never really athletic. He was just tall with a nasty right hook. I think Booth allowed Lee to get a few more solid pay days. Booth knows his stuff.

Hi Bread,

Reading your mailbag for a while now, but first time writing in.

Remember reading your response to a mailbag question a few weeks back about the amount of weight fighters cut now, and how this possibly has an affect on the performance and physique of current fighters when compared to those decades ago. What kinda weight was a normal expected weight/% of body mass for fighters to cut say 20-30 years ago? Also do you feel this shift in physique/performance is down to: fighters fighting less frequently now (so more opportunity to get out of shape), nutrition or training methods? Was talking to a nutritionist in the gym the other day and she was making a point about the need to take vitamin tablets to get all nutrients now, as food is less nutritious than before. Do you feel this is a factor in training/fight night intensity and making weight? I also recall you talking about adaptions in training methods in this era compared to previous (much more explosive training now)? Correct me if I’m wrong, but did fighters do much more road work/steady state type cardio years ago and less explosive training/weight training?

On the ‘weight’ topic, looking back through history, sanctioning bodies started splitting the original 8 weight divisions (with a ‘super’, ‘light’ or ‘junior’) several years after 1962/63 when the WBC/WBA sanctioning bodies were created. In my opinion, looked to be a money making scheme to make more money off sanctioning fees for the % they charge fighters per fight. Do you think we’ll ever see a situation were we go back to the good old days of 1 champion per weight with 8 weight divisions?? Maybe only keeping Cruiserweight as an add on from the original 8, as modern heavies are huge!! The quality of fights merging super-feather with lightweight or light-middle with middleweight would be crazy. Even super-bantam with featherweight and super-middle with light-heavy...hella interesting. Only way I see it right now, is if all the promotors can somehow unite and work with all the TV networks. As well as all the sanctioning bodies uniting probably with some kind of money incentive (maybe a rights fee from TV networks) to go back to 8 (or 9) weight divisions, or, worst case removing all the ‘small increment’ weight gap divisions. Think we would also need some kind of league table style points system (like a lot of other sports), similar to box rec. for example, to rank fighters & get to a mandatory position to fight the no. 1/champion! Please let me know your thoughts??

Thanks again for your time and the dedication, effort and consistency you put into this mailbag and the sport we love!

God bless you

Bread’s Response: Great question. I’m going to answer you in reverse.

No way will the weight divisions disappear. There is too much money to be made with sanctioning fees. We need to hope they don’t create more weight divisions if anything.

In this current era I respect the modern science of nutrition, weight training and explosive training. I think explosive training helps a fighter. Fighters need to be able to explode over and over again. The very best fighters have explosive muscles along with endurance muscles. Boxing is an endurance sport that requires explosive ability.

I agree with the lady you talked to. The food is messed up these days so you have to take supplements. When I see a fighter who does NOT take supplements properly I can always predict up and down energy levels.

I think throughout time training will evolve. I think it’s proven that weight training helps with endurance and explosiveness if done right. The problem is not everyone does it right. You will have fighters who do the part they like the most. They will do the strength part but they won’t keep their muscles loose by stretching and keeping up their speed work. So now they become slower which is a no no.

I think the old school method of training had explosive work it just wasn’t fancy. Throwing a medicine ball is explosive. Chopping wood is explosive. A simple wind sprint is explosive. Nothing gets the whole organism stronger and more explosive than simply sprinting 30 or 40 yards 20 or 30 times. In current times everyone makes everything look so fancy. That’s where the disconnect comes in at.

I think fighters long ago stayed closer to the weight because they fought more often on short notice. They also had same day weigh ins. So therefore you couldn’t walk around 20+ over your division weight. You never knew when that call was going to come in.

Now a days fighters don’t do that because they feel they would give up too much to walk around at 165 and fight at 160. Guys who now walk around at 165 fight at 140 tops 147. I will tell you wholeheartedly, there are NO 154 pounders who walk around in their everyday life at 165lbs. If they say they do they’re lying.

So while the training methods today are more advanced and the recovery is more advanced I think the fighters have too many options. It’s like going to a restaurant with a menu too big. The Cheesecake Factory for example. I love the food but the menu is too DEEP in my opinion.

The older fighters kept it simple. They ran 5 or 6 days a week. 3-5 miles. They did a little sprinting at the end of their run. They chopped wood. In the gym they hit the heavy bag, the speed bag, the double end bag and they sparred. They did push ups, sit ups and pull ups and they did it consistently.

They ate good food. Then for recovery they slept well and took ice baths. They weighed themselves everyday. Very simple.

In this era you have guys with access to better training but they do too dam much. They don’t sleep right. They try to cut too much weight in between fights. Then they don’t rehydrate correctly. So now you have guys who are lugging around too much muscle without the endurance to go with it.

I simply think fighters in this they era cut too much weight. Hence the PED use. If you know you get heavy in between fights. Monitor your weight. How hard is it to get on a scale when you wake up? Anything over 10% of your fight weight you need to take your butt running or swimming.

My personal belief is consistency is the best training. The only old school training I don’t agree with is running over 5 miles everyday. I think that burns you out quicker when you can do other things for endurance in less than 5 miles. You can run a mile long hill and get the same benefit. Or swim 20 or 30  laps which is just as good or better. Or some days you can sprint 30 , 30 yard sprints full blast. I’m not opposed to 5 mile runs. But running them everyday while not doing anything else for endurance I think will make you a little monotonous. I think a fighter’s heart rate should be worked with more than one type of endurance exercise.

As for weight training I also agree with it. As long as it doesn’t make you bulky or slow you down. Simple weight training that will get you stronger without getting you bigger. Moves that are boxing applicable. Keep it very simple. 5 or 6 weight exercises MAX. If you put too much muscle on it will need maintenance. You can get stronger without getting bigger.

Everything else you will get from boxing training. Remember the sports is boxing. The best fighters of this era mix the old school with the new school well. It’s still boxing at the end of the day.

Wilder vs Fury!

Bread’s Response: Nice and simple. Love it.

Everytime I talk about Deontay Wilder I give him props for being proactive with VADA. Wilder is koing people while asking for extra blood test. Not many can say that.

As for this fight I can’t call it. At some point in every fight, Wilder hits people with right hands they never see and rarely recover from. But Wilder can be outboxed. Fury is a unique boxer. He has good feet. A good sense of distance. And his confidence is that of a crazy man. I mean that in a good way. He has the confidence of an Ali or James Toney. His confidence is so high it’s scary. That’s very tough to beat.

So I’m taking the easy way out. Wilder by ko or Fury by decision.

What do you think of Jarrett Hurd? He had a hit list of fighters he wanted the Charlo Twins, Canelo and GGG. Do you think he can run the table? Did you see his Showtime special? He seems like he’s really grounded.

Bread’s Response: I think highly of Jarrett Hurd. I respect where he came from and where he’s at. Hurd was nothing special as amateur. He took a few years off. Got back into it and turned pro and now he’s a unified champion. You have to respect that.

I did see Hurd’s Showtime special. And I was impressed. Hurd said the 1st thing he does when he wakes up is get on the scale. You would be surprised at how many fighters that don’t do that. By doing that you know how hard to push yourself for your upcoming day and more importantly you know if you messed up the day before. That may seem simple but it’s only simple if your mind is right. Then Hurd talked about getting his shoulder together and going to a chiropractor. Someone told Hurd that the spine and back is the body connector and if that is in tact the whole body unit will work better. Hurd listened.

I was impressed with Hurd’s support group. It seems as though all he has to worry is boxing. His parents support him. He has someone to cook for him. And his group of coaches work together. I’ve been around them they have a good group.

Hurd seems to come from a solid family. But he’s a real tough guy and a killer without trying to be one. He’s not acting like a gangster. He’s naturally tough. That tells me a lot. You have fighters who are millionaires but want to act like drug dealers and criminals. Hurd is a monster in the ring without acting like a monster outside of it.

I also liked the way Hurd went swimming after his run. Swimming and running are the two best endurance exercises for a fighter. And Hurd does both in the same night. Smart kid. Hurd obviously burns a lot of weight so therefore instead of killing his legs and running 10 miles to lose weight, he does some swimming which is a low impact but high cardio exercise. Hurd may not be the most articulate kid, but I can tell he has his head on right. He has a high IQ for boxing. It’s obviously he listens. No way you can come down from 190lbs to make 154lbs and be strong  and not listen to someone smarter than you.

Hurd is humble. I can tell because he drives a Hyundai. He didn’t try to show off for the camera. I assume he drives a better car than that. He also still lives at home with his parents. Therefore he has minimal woman problems, lol.

I don’t think Hurd will run the table. I don’t think he will retire undefeated. It’s boxing and he does take a lot of punches. But I do think he will always give himself the best chance to win. He’s not going to beat himself. Whoever beats him will have to earn it.

The only thing I want to see Hurd do next is put out a great performance under strict VADA.

Bread:

Trust all is well with you. Several questions for you:

1) What weakness in Errol Spence do you think Mikey Garcia thinks he can exploit? I know Mikey's 1-2 is money and he's going up against a southpaw. I also noticed Brook landed some nice right hands and Peterson landed several on Spence when he let it fly.

2) I watched a nice Day in Camp on Shobox about the supremely talented Jaron Ennis. Though he's listed at 5'10", he looks Paul Williams' type tall but with more athleticism and maybe more skill. However, I noticed him running on concrete, which can have a negative long-term effect on your knees. I know it's hard to find softer running services in the inner city, but this is something that should be a cause for concern. What are your thoughts and how have you handled this with JRock?

3) Please give us your breakdown on Wilder vs. Fury. Am I mistaken? I thought Mark Breland was Wilder's primary trainer at one point, but I don't see him as much. Do you know whether he still plays a prominent role in Wilder's camp? 

Bread’s Response: 1) I think Mikey Garcia sees exactly what you stated. Spence is not hard to hit. Especially early. Spence is not hard to figure out but he is hard to beat. There is a difference. Errol is similar to GGG in that department. But Errol is DOG strong, he has that ram rod jab, a vicious body attack and he never lets up.

Mikey is a sharp shooter with high IQ. So I assume he’s saying it’s not like I have to figure out a Pernell Whitaker type. I just have to be able to withstand the punches and not get tired and I can score enough points to win.

2) Jaron Ennis has freaky physical qualities. He’s taller than 5’10” but he’s not as tall as Paul Williams. I’ve been around him several times, he’s about 5’11. But his arms are crazy long and he has unreal range. His reflexes are so good he can hit you from anywhere so it gives the impression that he’s taller than what he is.

I don’t know if Ennis will have a better career than Paul Williams because Williams went to the highest level. But Ennis is more skilled and more talented than Williams. Ennis’s talent level is off the charts. He’s one of the top 5 most talented fighters in boxing. Mark it down.

I don’t know if Ennis and his team are concerned about running in hard surfaces or not. They’re old school and like you said in the inner city it’s harder to find soft surfaces. But there are university tracks and parks available…..

3) I think Wilder has a few coaches. I assume Breland is still a part of the team.

Wilder and Fury are both unpredictable so it’s hard to break the fight down in a traditional sense. Fury has innate defensive ability. He has tactile reflexes. I can see him tying Wilder up and smothering his power. I can also see him using his legs. Fury sort of has to get into a rhythm without getting clipped early. Fury should want to make the fight boring and minimize the contact. The Klitschko fight was a tremendous performance but it wasn’t a great fight. Fury neutralized Klitschko,

Wilder has one big advantage in this fight. Wilder does not need everything to go right for him to win. I have seen Wilder lose several rounds, several times and still win BIG. Wilder has unique recovery and unique reaction time with his money punch. In intense heavyweight fights, there is usually a visual fatigue. Wilder recovers faster than every one of his opponents. I don’t know if it’s natural, his lack of bulky size or his training. But whatever the case, Wilder gets his 2nd wind before his opponents do.

After he gets this 2nd wind, he has the ability to hit a tired opponent with his best punch before they can react defensively. Wilder is not dominant on a round by round basis. He gets outboxed for a few rounds. But he’s dominant on a fight by fight basis because the same thing keeps happening. Wilder catches his opponent. Period. Once he catches them they don’t recover and he finishes them.

So in this fight you have one guy in Fury who has less room for error. Fury has to fight a perfect fight. He can but it’s hard to be perfect. Wilder does not have to be perfect. All Wilder has to do is do what he always does. Land is money within a 36 minute time period.

I don’t have a pick because I can really see either winning. But I do think Wilder has an advantage of having more room for error than Fury does.

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