The Daily Bread Mailbag returns with Stephen "Breadman" Edwards tackling topics such as trainers vs. teachers, documentary on Carlos Monzon, Floyd Mayweather vs. Victor Ortiz, reporters in boxing, Canelo Alvarez, and much more.
Whats good Breadman... What are your thoughts on Trainers vs Teachers in boxing right now. I see Floyd Sr as a teacher where you can go to the Vegas gym learn some stuff and help you as a boxer. Now a trainer like yourself has to coordinate, plan, watch film get the right sparring partners plus more. Can you elaborate? Stay shining thanks in advance.
Bread’s Response: Trainers and teachers can be the same but they don’t have to be. I would never try to define the role Floyd Sr. plays in the gym relating to his fighters because I’m not in the gym with them. I don’t know what he does and doesn’t do, so that wouldn’t be fair to him. From what I can see he really knows the game and his pad work is legendary.
But you are correct. A trainer has many roles. Coordinating a camp is not easy. You have a budget that is NOT your money. It’s either the fighter’s money or the promoter’s money. You have to find reliable and quality sparring which anyone will tell you is not easy. Some fighters don’t mind paying top dollar, some complain about every nickel they spend.
You have to determine what level of sparring to get. People repeat iron sharpens, iron. But there is a thing as too much work. You don’t want your fighter to get the crap beat out of him all camp.
Sparring is not the only expense. Recovery and food are also big expenses that some fighters cut corners on and some don’t. If you notice, you often see some trainers double down as the Team’s Cook because they know the fighter and they know what he has to eat. They know what he responds to. They know how intense the workouts will be.
Then after that you have to make sure the fighter is not just in shape. But if he’s peaking out correctly. If his weight is on schedule, figuring where he was last camp in relation to the current one. Trainers don’t get enough credit in conditioning a fighter. Strength and Conditioning coaches didn’t become prevalent until the 2000s. Some trainers still take on that responsibility.
Fighters say they don’t watch film. I don’t believe that. But trainers do for sure. A trainer has to determine what they see in an opponent.
Often times a trainer has to make the determination of if his fighter should or should not take the fight. A trainer wears many hats that don’t get appreciated or recognized and it’s not easy brother. A man signs up to be a trainer. But it’s much more than anyone cares to respect. And when a fighter loses the trainer gets the #1 blame.
First I would like to say I truly enjoy reading your insight into boxing. It is fascinating to hear how you break down careers, performances, nuances of the sport, etc... I did have a specific question for you. Recently, I watched a Netflix mini series about Carlos Monzon. How do you rate his career? I think given the fact he is not an American and (no doubt the tragedies surrounding his life), is a champion not given enough attention or credit. It also intrigued me to hear other fighters and trainers mention his name with awe. I remember for instance Bernard Hopkins in an interview stating though that although he knew he was great, he did not know how he would have fared truthfully against Carlos Monzon. I saw another interview with Buddy McGirt back in perhaps 2013, when he was asked about how Golovkin, (who at the time was considered a monster), would have fared against a prime Monzon. McGirt, (who has always been very high on Golovkin), said something along the lines of "Look Golovkin is truly great he deserves that, however, Monzon would have stopped him definitely."
As I began to do a little more research about him it seemed to be that people who carefully watched his career noted that he had the habit of timing and watching opponents in a similar manner to more classic boxers such as Hopkins, Mayweather, etc... He was known to feel out opponents and look for tendencies in the first couple rounds and then pick up the pace and his punches in the later rounds when he had his opponents timing down. I was wondering if you could break down the career of Monzon, his style, and what made him such a great champion.
I was wondering about your opinion about the career of Monzon and where you would place him in your list of middle weight greats. How do you feel about how he would have fared head to head with some great more recent middleweights?
How do you see a fight between he and Hopkins?
He and Golovkin?
He and Hagler, Hearns, or Leonard?
Bread’s Response: I saw the documentary and while I don’t like subtitles I thought it was good. I thought it was interesting to see the dynamic between Monzon and his great trainer Amilcar Brusca and how they tried to introduce him to more modern conditioning drills.
I think Monzon is a top 5 middleweight ever. He’s a monster. I think he’s better than he looks. He seems sort of straight legged and he’s really not a freaky athlete but I see further than that. I think he’s a 15 round shark. I think he keeps it simple and that’s why he’s quicker than he is fast. He basically throws 2 punches, a jab and a straight right hand. Once in a while he throws a hook. But he’s strong as a bull. He’s calm as a ghost. He has that hard heavy handed kick back on his shots. He’s not unbeatable or invincible but he’s an ATG. I would hate to have to fight him because he was sinister. He was a vicious man.
The fascinating thing about Monzon was he didn’t get off to a great start. He took a few losses and draws early before he hit his stride. Ironically I think the majority of his great title reign was after his prime. He won the title rather late for his era.
He wasn’t overly dominant but he was overly effective and efficient. It seems like he often did just enough to win but he had that gear he could go to when needed. He’s the like the great swimmer who wins his races by ½ arm length in each race, instead of the one who wins by 2 body lengths but he always seems to win.
If Monzon were American his story would have been remarkable. But he wasn’t. He was an Argentinean Indian so it sort of gets historically overlooked.
Head to head Monzon is interesting to me. Because he fights in that relaxed but contained style, he doesn’t look overwhelming. But he keeps getting the results fight after fight. I honestly have no idea if he would beat anyone you named but I don’t know if they could beat him either. Monzon just doesn’t blow you away with the eye ball test but if you look deeper you can see he’s special.
Bread, what happened to James DeGale? He was a badass at one point of time then we stopped hearing his name...if I can remember, I think his fight with Bute took a lot out of him? Or was it Groves?
Bread’s Response: Great question. I have no idea. Often times we don’t know what a fighter has to go through in camp and to make weight for a fight. So when their primes just go before our eyes it sort of puzzles us. That’s why it’s important to approach every fight like it’s your last.
Specifically I thought the Badou Jack sort of zapped DeGale. But who knows.
What's up Bread?
Hope you're staying safe and the family is healthy. I wanted to touch on boxing media (journalists, broadcasters, podcasters, etc.) and discuss what we can do as both participants and observers to better hold them accountable. When I say accountable, I mean with the utmost respect and professionalism. These individuals are professionals and aren't perfect, but I think everyone should strive to do their job in the best and most fair way possible.
As it concerns the likes of you, Lee Wylie, Al Bernstein, Max Kellerman, Dougie Fischer, Cliff Rold, etc I know the types of fighter(s) that you like, but I couldn’t tell you who you don’t like, and I believe that’s the way it should be. When journos and broadcasters are very demonstrative in who they don’t like, that negatively effects the perception of a fighter and that can effect purses, opportunity, and objective calling of their fights.
We’ve seen this with Guillermo Rigondeaux and Demetrius Andrade and those who call them boring. While there’s no exact way to figure out how much money they’ve potentially lost in not securing big money fights, we do know it’s hurt their match making ability. I thought the goal was to win fights with taking as little as damage possible? If fighters are winning in dominant fashion, then what’s the problem?
On the other hand we’ve seen the preferential treatment of a Canelo Alvarez when he was found with a banned substance in his system and it pushed back his second fight with GGG. Not once did we get journos following up with him and pressing him on his reasons why. He claimed “tainted beef” and the answer was taken at face value. No real discussion happened afterwards if rampant PED/banned substance use was a problem. Canelo is an uber talent, HOF, elite fighter, but that situation was very disappointing.
What has to change Bread? Love to hear your thoughts.
Stephen from Dallas
Bread’s Response: Great comment. I think reporting in boxing specifically has become too freelance and preferential. If someone covers a fight they sort of know who issued their credential and there is an unspoken border of where to go and not go with comments.
It’s amazing to me how many times I see a fighter who has had PED issues, never get asked about them in interviews. But boxing media will talk about it all day at host hotel lobby bar OFF THE RECORD.
First off I would suggest that we stop giving non credible boxing sites interviews. That causes the favoritism. If a fighter is giving you access and likes on youtube, then you won’t offend that fighter and say something they may deem negative.
After that I think the same way boxing media insults the fighters, I think the promotional companies and fighters that give them access need to start insulting them back. It’s no fun when the rabbit has a gun. An objective critique is different from name calling and insulting. No fighter should be insulted. Nothing physical but they need to feel it when they give a fighter a disrespectful nickname or make a terribly wrong pick on a fight. Then they will become more respectful to fighters.
Last but not least the media has to gain some integrity. Every time there is a close decision or controversial topic, I can literally tell what 80% of the prominent media will say. I know who’s going to be FOY, Fight of the Year, Trainer of the Year, and who “they” will say won a certain fight before they say it. That shouldn’t be the case.
That “boring” label only applies to certain fighters and I get it. But I would understand it more if the fighters in their division were still asked why they don’t fight them. Fair is fair. If a fighter is boring and he’s the best in the division then go beat him so we don’t have to watch him anymore. The goal is to be the best.
And yes you phrased exactly how I phrase it. It’s one thing to know who a media member likes, but it’s a major concern to KNOW who they dislike.
I hope you continue to stay healthy and safe.
Your articles, stats, opinions, and personal experiences throughout the years have provided an insight to true boxing fans who are always waiting for the next best fight.
You usually know when a fighter wants to make a fight, while other fighters and promoters wait for a specific advantage and timeline. Floyd Mayweather had a remarkable career. If the point of boxing is to take as little punishment and makes the most "money", then no one has done it better than Floyd.. His defense, hand speed, marketing a fight, strong mental fighter and was fighter of the decade. However, one of my friends were debating about the various circumstances pertaining to his career and just wanted your thoughts Bread so you can decide for us.
When Judah hit Floyd with a low blow in the 10th round and Roger came into the ring immediately which is forbidden for any trainer, should Floyd been DQ or that would never happen because it's Floyd and Vegas? How big of a deal was that? Also, Floyd sucker punched Ortiz when the referee Joe Cortez never called time in. I know boxers need to "protect themselves" at all times and Ortiz was giving unconditional hugs to Floyd throughout the fight that day so I personally think the blame fell more on Cortez in that moment and Ortiz who didn't protect himself.
Floyd 50-0 speaks for itself, but one of the knocks on him is he always ended up fighting his opponents at the end of their careers "Mosley, Oscar, Gatti, Pacman", obviously some of those circumstances might not be all on him, but Floyd never took a fight where he was clearly the underdog. My friend believes that if he was 50-3, but choose to be more engaging, less calculated, and entertaining he might be considered a top 10 fighter of all time. I guess we rarely talk about Ali's losses, but more his battles, determination, and willingness to never avoid a fighter. What are your thoughts?
I've enjoyed watching re-runs of the ESPN classics of the 4 kings. Leonard, Duran, Hagler and Hearns equaled the perfect fighter and they will always be remembered. We live in unpredictable times, but we are always debating who is the GOAT or would win hypothetical match ups. Although, it's difficult to rate a fighter who career is not over, how would the current Canelo do vs the 4 kings at their prime at 160lbs and 12 round fights?
We all appreciate your knowledge and perspective, thank you Bread..
Bread’s Response: I have no issue with Floyd Mayweather knocking Victor Ortiz out. I’m glad he did it. Ortiz was head butting him then he wanted to hug and kiss after the action was waved back on. That’s on Ortiz. Mayweather has a quick mind. He knew the action was on and Ortiz had just fouled him. Whoever has an issue with that doesn’t like Floyd Mayweather.
In the Zab Judah fight technically Mayweather could have been DQ. But there is a such thing as discretion. There is following rules to the letter. And then there is the spirit of rules. I’m glad Mayweather was not disqualified. Mayweather took the fight over. Judah became frustrated and couldn’t contain his emotions. So he fouled Mayweather out of frustration with a series of illegal blows. Mayweather sat in the corner, remained calm amongst the chaos and then continued to dominate. If Mayweather should have been DQ then so should Judah. So no one got DQ and Mayweather rightfully won. That’s the spirit of competition and smart discretion. The right thing happened.
Here is the thing about Mayweather’s record. Obviously in order to be 50-0 over 21 years as a pro you will need some good fortune and good matchmaking. Sometimes the timing of his fights benefitted him. Everytime he came through like a great fighter. You have to be great to have that amount of sustained excellence. I think the dilemma comes in where people state because he’s undefeated that he’s the best ever. It’s obvious that many other fighters have better resumes but it doesn’t discredit his greatness. It’s not easy to win almost 30 championship fights. The top level under the bright lights are no joke and he excelled like few ever have.
I think Mayweather is happy with his place in history. He’s undefeated and he’s the most successful fighter ever financially. He did what he wanted to do. Obviously if he won some fights where he was a 3 to 1 underdog or greater that would enhance his legacy. But Mayweather is so good, not many fights like that were available to him. He would have had to venture really far out of his weight class. So I get what you’re saying but you can’t make a bland claim. Be specific.
I never expected Mayweather to fight a prime GGG. That’s a tall order regardless of what you guys may think. GGG from 2012-15 is a great fighter and a natural middleweight with iron fist. But people called me crazy a few years back but I always thought Mayweather had a shot vs Sergio Martinez. Martinez was super talented but he wasn’t overly tall, he made tons of mistakes and he didn’t have a great jab. It wouldn’t have been easy but Floyd had a real shot to be the lineal middleweight champion if he fought Martinez. Cotto wound up getting the fight and we see what happened. It cemented his legacy. Floyd would have a better TBE claim if he was the lineal middleweight champion of the world. Imagine that.
But listen everything is interconnected. Floyd did what he did. Had he taken certain fights, maybe his longevity gets affected. Who knows….
The 4 kings weren’t all prime at middleweight but they all had great wins there. I think Leonard out moves Canelo and wins a decision. I think Hearns stops Canelo late. I think Hagler and Canelo is a better fight than most think but I think Hagler’s workrate, stamina and ram rod southpaw jab pull it out. Duran and Canelo would be fantastic to watch. Moves for days. Duran is a lot smaller but I think he’s better overall. Flip a coin.
While I agree that Canelo is going to that next-level skill-wise, I feel he might be passed his physical peak. Reason I say that is for a few reasons. He always had stamina issues, but they were FAR worse earlier in his career. Let’s not forget Floyd took this fight on Canelo’s exposed stamina issues (IMO). I believe he hit physical peak in the GGG fights, where he pretty much went to war for a full 24 rounds. Now noting he had improved his stamina in the lead up, and “coincidentally” tested positive in between those two fights. And as you’ve stated before, just because you’re off the gear, doesn’t mean you’re still not benefiting ie 6 months later after the suspension. Not many ppl talk about the impact of that period of PED use in the scheme of his career and relative performances.
Against Jacobs, I was actually smiling at how elite his skills looked as soon as round 1 started. In fact I had money on him winning in the 8th but he looked like he could take him out whenever he wanted from the opening bell. To his credit Danny worked back into the fight, but what I noticed was that in the latter rounds it didn’t look like Canelo could hurt him anymore, and missed quite a lot. His arms looked heavier than they have since pre-Floyd. Further, I cannot understand why he allowed himself to effectively get out-jabbed by Kovalev for so long without just going after him. I know he eventually took him out but I saw him behind in that fight and couldn’t work out why he didn’t just get inside and work Kov over. Kov hadn’t thrown a punch with intent the entire fight, or for several fights for that matter. And Canelo with his elite chin, it seemed strange to me that he would allow it go that deep. Perhaps he didn’t back his tank? What are your thoughts on his physical peak? I feel like he poured his body into those GGG fights and may have his hands full out if he fights a highly energetic fighter who can hang with his skills. Not sure who that is though right now.
Have a great day!
Darren (Melbourne, Australia)
Bread’s Response: Talking about Canelo and PEDS seems to be taboo. It seems as though one can’t recognize is greatness but still admit he tested positive twice. Both are true.
I don’t know if Canelo is past his physical peak or not he’s only 30. But his skillset and mental game are off the charts at this point so I consider this to be his APEX. Because his defense and skillset are so high it has allowed him to move up in weight. Because he has more calories to burn his stamina looks better. You see how everything is interconnected?
He’s still not a guy who can go 12 hard. He can go 12 smooth but not 12 hard. But his chin and defense is so good, it’s hard to push him and make him uncomfortable. He took his time with Kovalev and just wore him out mentally. Kovalev is chinny at this point in his career and he has no midrange or inside defense. Canelo could have kod him any time after the 9th but he wanted it to be conclusive. And that’s what happened. He allowed Kovalev to deplete himself to the point that when the explosion came Kovalev was zapped.
Danny Jacobs did claw his way back in the fight. I’m glad you saw that. But Jacobs couldn’t make Canelo run at pace he didn’t like. When Canelo feels a hard pace coming he plays defense and calms the fight down.
GGG pushed Canelo but he only pushed him when he was down on points in the rematch. GGG can’t match Canelo, move for move and punch for punch. He needs to be an animal and fight Canelo like Hagler did Hearns. The more he waits, the more Canelo gets off.
Floyd didn’t carry a high punch output but he carried a high mental intensity on Canelo. He kept scoring clean points and he used the WHOLE ring. He for sure tired Canelo out but in his own way. Canelo didn’t have the energy to get the points back after Floyd scored clean shots. Stress causes fatigue. Floyd stressed Canelo in their fight and now Canelo has learned to stress his opponents.
The guy who can beat him at 168 or higher will be the fighter who can score points on him consistently early and make Canelo push hard more than he wants. And when he does go to push, that fighter has to answer the push but still win rounds. It’s not so much the pace, it’s creating anxiety on Canelo when he doesn’t think he’s winning every round and he can’t just fight like he’s strolling through the park. He was completely exhausted in both GGG fights because of the intensity of the fights. Canelo doesn’t like that. But I think GGG left food on the table. He showed Canelo too much respect.
Anatomically Canelo’s a heavy muscled guy, with fast twitch explosion. He does a great job at calming himself but genetics are genetics. When you burn anaerobically you burn fat more. When you burn aerobically you burn carbs more. That’s why I think the added weight works for him because he can explode more without zapping himself. He has better energy sources from both places but especially his explosive anaerobic sources. I don’t mean to get scientific but that’s reason why I picked him to stop Kovalev and that’s the reason why at 154 he never had that push down the stretch and he was in so many tight fights because his body needed too many recovery spots. If you look at Canelo, he was cutting into MUSCLE at 154.
Experts generally tend to agree that boxing was better in the yesteryears from a technical standpoint but boxers since the 80s are better athletes. While there have been exceptions like Benny Leonard and Gene Tunney as early as 1920s, I broadly agree with the experts on this. Interestingly, I have started seeing a decline in athleticism as well since last 15-20 years. Not in speed but a clear decline in cardio. They are just as fast for the first few rounds but their speed decline in later rounds is much higher than what it was for boxers in the 80s and 90s. I guess, it can be explained by extreme weight cutting and boxing no longer attracting best athletes in America.
Doug Fischer once mentioned in his mailbag that old school methods lead to better cardio in the ring as opposed to modern strength and conditioning training. He mentioned that he has seen boxers that do extreme strength and conditioning training get tired in the ring within 5 to 6 rounds. He even said in his latest mailbag that the lightweight Shane Mosley that trained using old school methods was better than the welterweight Shane Mosley that used modern methods.
Do you prefer the old school training methods or the modern strength and cardio style training? What is your opinion?
Bread’s Response: This is an ongoing debate among those in boxing. Old school has history on their side. New School has science. They both have examples.
Here is my take. It’s going to be hard for a fighter to watch all of his contemporaries hit tires with sledge hammers and pull ropes and not hit tires with sledge hammers and pull ropes. It’s going to be hard to watch fighters who fight at 154lbs walk around at 180lbs and not walk around at 180lbs and fight at 154lbs. People replicate what they see. Anyone who says anything different is not being realistic.
Modern coaches have to compromise. If you prohibit all modern training, unless it’s your son, most likely you won’t get any jobs in this era. Common Sense….
I think one of the reasons why old school fighters had better stamina is they walked around closer to the weight. Fighters today are losing too much weight to compete in an endurance sport. Losing 30 lbs then competing in an intense aerobic and anaerobic combined task is one of the more counter productive things that can be done in sports. But boxers do it. So the essence of boxing in general is against the grain of sports science. You don’t see large 10k runners. Most are lean and smaller people in general.
Another issue we have is that most of Strength and Conditioning coaches are scammers. In my estimation only 10% know boxing. So we have educated people, who are scamming uneducated people. They are telling boxers what they should and shouldn’t do and the boxers don’t know the difference between white and red blood cells. Or fast digesting protein and slow digesting protein. It freaks a fighter out to not understand. So they get scammed.
The next problem is consistent training. Fighters corner hop too much. And they are so accessible they do whatever is hot. When one fighter does something they all flock to it. They don’t keep it simple. It’s ok to confuse the muscles but it’s not ok to get too far off from the ground basis of conditioning. If you’re a boxer, 80% of your workouts should be boxing specific. You can’t get too far away from the sport you’re training for.
I stand on my personal claims that everything in life, as time moves on, evolve. New recovery and diet are important and they have evolved. Massages, hyperbaric etc are all things that should be utilized. We know more now.
And at the same time, basic running early in the am while the air is fresh. Sprints and distance runs are both necessary because the tempo of a fight changes. You don’t train at one speed then try to fight at multiple speeds. I believe a fighter can and will get in shape with basic sit ups, push ups, dips, and pull ups. The issue is exercises can’t be random. You have to chart your progress throughout camp and not just do them for the sake of doing them without calculating exactly how much your doing.
I also believe some newer exercises can be useful but not all. Sometimes I see fighters build things they don’t need. It requires maintenance. You ever see someone who doesn’t play basketball play intense one on one. They are fatigued. It’s just like an athlete who tries to box 3 rounds becoming fatigued. A spectator will wonder why the world class athlete can’t do certain things in other sports. But it’s a different set of muscles, cardio and brain function. For example chopping wood is a great exercise. It builds the core. It builds the forearms. It helps with explosive power. It’s been used for 100 years to condition fighters. Well the new chopping wood is hitting tires with a sledge hammer. It’s the same concept it’s just you don’t need an axe and wood. You need a sledgehammer and tire. Don’t be fooled by all of the new stuff. Some of this stuff is old and remixed because boxers again are not educated. It’s not their faults. Some just don’t know.
The lack of stamina is the sign of the times. No one wants to give up 15 lbs of natural weight and fight at a more natural weight so they fight at smaller weights. Today’s middleweights are light heavyweights in the 80s. So therefore the stamina will be different. It’s no one’s fault, it’s just how it is.
In baseball many pitchers that have lost some miles on their fastball learn new pitches and their styles are completely changed.Can you point out any instances in boxing where a fighter had to reinvent himself and were they successful? Appreciate the mailbag, especially during this boxingless pandemic!
Thanks, Brett C.
Bread’s Response: I’ve seen many style changes in fighters. Too many to name but the two that stand out to me are Bernard Hopkins and Marco Antonio Barrera.
Hopkins was an offensive, right hand happy fighter coming up through the ranks. He was a very good puncher. Then around the time he fought Antwine Echols, Hopkins started to evolve into an efficient boxer. It was gradual but if you watch him before Echols he was a killer. After Echols he had changed. Look at his peak performances. Joe Lipsey pre Echols. Tito Trinidad post Echols. It was amazing to watch and it’s why he had so much longevity.
Marco Antonio Barrera used to bore in and throw big hooks to the head and body. Then he fought Junior Jones and was beaten from long range twice and really upped his game. Barrera became a violent boxer puncher who relied on his jab. Again watch his two peak performances. Kennedy McKinney pre Jones, Naseem Hamed post Jones.
Hope you and the family are well.
How will this pandemic affect boxing? With boxing non existent for the past three months and gyms closed, how deeply will fighters be affected (loss of income, sharpening of skills and legacy. Hopefully when boxing returns, fighters will fight more often and big money fights will be made to make up for lost time.
Just finished watching ‘The last dance’-MJ is the G.O.A.T.
Incredible skills but more importantly incredible mindset and confidence. I believe only Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard are on the same level. How are Michael Moorer, Juan Laporte and Marlon Starling not in the Hall of Fame?
Bread’s Response: Up and coming fighters will be somewhat affected because they can’t sell tickets at local shows. World ranked fighters are only fighting twice a year anyway so it’s not a big deal to them. If they are dedicated they can work out at home until the gyms get back open. Just be dedicated to your craft and invest in yourself.
I lived through the entire MJ era. My grandfather was a Georgetown fan so I knew of MJ before he was called MJ. Many fixate on him being an abusive teammate which at times he was and I understand the attention that part of him gets. But I couldn’t help but marvel at his DRIVE. His drive, met his work athletic, which met his other worldly talent. When everything meets like that then you have the most SPECIAL athlete I’ve ever seen, including everybody.
Often times athletes conflate ambition with dedication. Ambition is how bad you want something. Dedication is doing the right thing to get it. Many want it. Most don’t work hard enough. Jordan had both. He was a psycho in a good way and sometimes bad.
I think more fighters than Ali and Leonard had Jordan’s mindset. The problem is everyone doesn’t have the God Given Talent. That’s what makes the transcendent athlete. The one who has it ALL. But best believe you have some fighters who may not have that level of talent but they work like savages and mentally they are as driven as they can be. You may not notice it because they only excel to limited heights but for them it’s the sky.
I hope everything is going well and you and your family are staying safe!
I was listening to Spence's interview with Brian Custer yesterday and he said his goal to enter camp from this point on is only 10 pounds over the limit. Right now he is in the mid 160s and wants to get to 157 before he officially starts camp. My question is, what is your ideal weight for Julian and your other fighters before camp? Do you want them coming in within 10 pounds or you are fine with them being a little more and working themselves in shape? Spence's story of how he made weight against Mikey and Porter are crazy and shows the effect of not staying in shape in between fights can do to your body. I feel like he potentially lost a few years of his career killing himself making weight.
I know there has been talks of Canelo against pretty much every top 168 pounder, but how would you see a Plant vs BJS fight going? And how about Plant vs GGG at 168?
Last thing, Donaire is talking about potentially fighting Rigondeaux again at 118. If he is able to beat him this time around, what does it do for his legacy? He's already a HOFer, but would this be the best win of his career? Will he go down or seen as a better fighter than Rigo if he wins?
Bread’s Response: I really respect Errol Spence because he’s open about his weight issues. Many fighters place the blame on everyone else but Spence is OWNING his. If a fighter gets on the scale everyday, his weight won’t get out of control. But fighters don’t weigh themselves often enough and then when they do, their weight is out of control and they panic.
I would love Julian to start camp at 170lbs. When I say 170lbs I mean walk in the gym before a workout at 170lbs. Any fighter I train I want them to start camp 10% over their division weight. It’s simple but sometimes simple things become difficult and weight is a huge issue in this era.
Fighters are for sure losing years and brain cells on weight. Taking punches to the organs while losing drastic weight is dangerous. But you have to realize in order to be a fighter you have to be a dangerous person so they just risk it. Spence has strong will power because he has superior stamina while walking around very heavy. I’ve seen him in between fights and he looks to be around 180. That’s a lot of weight for a welterweight to lose. But he does it. The issue is that one camp when you go to push and your body rejects it or if something goes wrong like you get sick and it throws off the weight loss.
Let’s see how he looks from here on out.
Caleb Plant is live vs anyone at 168lbs. Super Middleweight is stacked. It’s the only division in boxing with 4 undefeated champions in their primes and they also have the biggest star in Canelo. If the titles are not unified next year, it’s a historical travesty.
I would take Plant over Saunders and GGG at this point. I think Plant is the real deal. He’s the right mix of size, athleticism, temperament, IQ, processing ability and conditioning. He also has a great support group around him. He’s going to be tough to beat. Very tough.
Tough question on Donaire. If he beats Rigo I think he does go down as the better fighter because he’s done more and had bigger fights. I don’t think it would be his best win because Rigo is 40 but it would be top 5.
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