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Daily Bread Mailbag: Golovkin, Wilder-Fury II, Thurman, More

By Stephen "Breadman" Edwards

The Daily Bread Mailbag returns, with Stephen "Breadman" Edwards tackling topics such as the future of Gennady Golovkin, the future of Jaime Munguia, Keith Thurman's recent fight with Josesito Lopez, the Wilder vs. Fury rematch, and more.

Bread what’s good? Been a while since I’ve hit the bag. So I hit you on Twitter with a theory of mine and that’s that I attribute a chunk of Floyd and Manny’s greatness and longevity to the fact that that walk around basically at their fight weight. I mean, if we’re being completely honest they both could have campaigned mainly at 140 if they wanted without issue. I just think there’s something about maintaining strength and stamina when you’re not undergoing a significant weight cut. Let me know what you think. Oh and I think Khan-Crawford will be interesting early. Khan has a way of really troubling opponents early and Bud is not a particularly fast starter.  Keep up the good work bro.  Amac. Cali.

Bread’s Response: I agree 100%. You will not cut 20+ pounds and take punches and have longevity in your mid 30s. No fighter with weight issues has had longevity without moving up in weight.

Discipline is the key. Fighters who lack discipline don’t have longevity. It’s really that simple. You don’t want to be too small fighting at certain weights because you will give up size. But your walking around weight has to be maintained in a respectable striking range of the weight you fight at. For example here is a list of the weight divisions and I will put what I feel is a respectable weight to walk around at eating healthy but not cutting down the portions until camp. 10% of your division weight with a few lbs. to give is projection on a respectable “walk around weight”. Examples.

Strawweight is 105lbs. That’s a really tiny human male. 10% is 10.5 lbs. So let’s round it off to 116lbs walking around. After a good workout while putting good stuff in your body the fighter will be 112-113lbs. Well within striking range of his division weight in a 6-8 week camp.

Junior Flyweight- 108lbs. Walking around weight 120lbs.
Flyweight -112lbs Walking around weight 124lbs.
Super Flyweight -115lbs  Walking around weight 127lbs.
Bantamweight-118lbs Walking around weight  130lbs.
Junior Featherweight-122lbs Walking around weight 135lbs
Featherweight-126lbs Walking around weight 140lbs
Junior Lightweight 130lbs Walking around weight 145lbs
Lightweight 135lbs Walking around weight 150lbs
Junior Welterweight 140lbs Walking around weight 155lbs
Welterweight 147lbs Walking around weight 163lbs
Junior Middleweight 154lbs Walking around weight 170lbs
Middleweight 160lbs Walking around weight 180lbs
Supermiddleweight 168lbs Walking around weight 190lbs
Lightheavyweight 175lbs Walking around weight 200lbs
Cruiserweight 200lbs Walking around weight 220lbs.

As the weights moved up I became more lenient with the walking around weight because larger humans on the average have bigger bones and carry more fat %. A disciplined fighter should be one good workout away from being 2 divisions above his weight division.  For example a welterweight 147lb should be one workout away from being a 160lbs middleweight after a good workout.

Fighters who can’t touch 2 weight divisions above them after one workout are playing a dangerous game and I agree with you 100%, Floyd and Manny were smart enough not to get too far past 160lbs no matter what they were doing. And 160lbs is a stretch for both of them. Bernard Hopkins  also did excellent at lightheavyweight and added to his longevity also because I know he was smart enough to never sniff 200lbs.

It’s a simple matter of discipline and mental strength. If a fighter weighs himself everyday he knows his striking range therefore he can always touch it and always adhere his food etc if he got over it. The biggest problem in this era is, fighters only live like fighters when they have a fight on the books.

What's up Bread?

I just wanted to share some observations and get your thoughts on Jaime Munguia's latest performance.  He won handily, however it seems like he is especially vulnerable to someone who jabs their way in (like GGG) since he wings hooks and uppercuts from a distance.  What do you see? I think a strong jab would disrupt his rhythm and keep him from loading up on those punishing body shots.  

Peace,

William in West Palm

Bread’s Response: I don’t think Muguia won handily. I thought Takeshi Inoue had a strong case for winning between 5-7 rounds. Inoue fought a tremendous fight in my opinion. He was crude but that tough balls to the wall style will give everyone trouble if you can’t hurt them. Sakio Bika and Marcos Maidana won world titles with that style.

I think Jaime Munguia is a solid young fighter. He’s powerful, he has good stamina and he has youth on his side. However I do think he’s benefitting from his resources and the WBO rankings. I compliment him for being willing to fight GGG and taking the Sadam Ali fight on short notice. But I think his team is wisely giving him time to build.

Munguia is viewed as a power puncher and he can punch. But I think he needs room to generate his power by bouncing on his toes and sort of running into his opponents building up a head of steam. The fighter strong enough to not allow him to bounce into him is going to be a big problem for him.

I’m interested in seeing his progress. I heard someone mention him and Demetrius Andrade on the internet. The internet is full of dumb matchmakers. There is no way they let Munguia fight Andrade anytime soon. He’s just not ready for that type of work. We will know when he’s ready for the heavy work when he faces an athletic fighter that does not stand right in front of him. A fighter’s matchmaking tells you what the powers behind the scene think of him. In Munguia’s 3 title defenses he has faced limited athleticism, limited foot movement, limited hand speed and non punchers.

I’m not picking Munguia apart either, I’m actually impressed by some of the things he does. I just know what I’m seeing. And what I’m seeing is a young fighter of Mexican decent that is being ALLOWED to grow as a champion. Usually once you become a champion you are adaptable to all styles and available to all contenders. It’s no one’s fault because Munguia had to step in and face Ali, he’s just slightly green for the best of his division.

Look at the other junior middleweight title holders. Jermell Charlo fought Charles Hatley, Erickson Lubin, Austin Trout and Tony Harrison in his title defenses. Jarrett Hurd fought Austin Trout and Erislandy Lara in his. Munguia and his team are doing the smart thing. They are giving him time to get better and they are keeping him away from the GUNS. Sometimes when you match make like this it works, sometimes it doesn’t. Let’s see how it plays out. I enjoy watching Munguia he makes for good fights.

Hello Breadman,

I've been reading your mailbag for several years now, and I always look forward to sitting down and reading it with toast and coffee on a Saturday morning.

I grew up with a father who was not really a sports fan outside of boxing. I also grew up in the 80's (born in'75) and I have memories of weekend afternoons watching boxing with my pops. The figures of the four kings are the most powerful images from that era, but the most distinct memories I have are of Mike Tyson's rise and the shock of his defeat to Buster Douglas. As I got older, my interests went in different directions, but I always kept my eye on the sport in a casual way, up until I found myself working at a quiet bookstore in 2013. I had a desktop computer in front of me and some time to kill, so I decided to look at some boxing highlights on Youtube, something I hadn't really played around with before. One of the first things I saw was GGG's body shot KO of Macklin and it literally changed my life. I took a deep dive into Golovkin's career, and then started to spend hours trying to catch up on the fights of the separating decades since I stopped watching boxing (around 1990.) My interest in boxing has also lead to me and my dad bonding over the sport, and now he's back following it nearly as hardcore as me!

So, question: what are a few "sleeper" fights of the last 30 years? I guess I mean contests that didn't necessarily feature the hugest names or the most dramatic results, but were more than decent displays of skill and action. A couple from the past few years that I think of as below-the-radar (in terms of mainstream appeal) would be Spence-Brook or Jacobs-Dervyanchenko. Not spectacular necessarily, but worth a re-watch. I'm looking for those kind of fights in the 90's, 00's, and 10's. Still taking that deep dive on Youtube!

Finally, what's your feeling on the state of boxing "journalism"? I find that guys like Dan Rafael, Chris Mannix and others do a good job of being "insiders" and commenting on politics, matchmaking and even the levels of fighters, but these guys say nothing about what actually happens in the ring (besides the most basic observations about whether someone is aggressive or defensive, etc.) Is ours the only sport with this issue? Is it maybe because non-participant commentators in other sports have probably played that sport at a youth level and have a decent grasp of fundamentals? I for one am sick of this lack of knowledge from so-called experts. I named a couple of villains - who is a hero in this sense? Who covers the sport and knows what he sees in there despite not being a fighter?

Keep up the important work.

Best,
Peter
Vancouver, BC, Canada

Bread’s Response: Cliff Rold, Lee Wylie, Doug Fischer and Max Kellerman break down the sport in way that is different from all other mainstream media. Rold and Wylie are not main stream but they deserve the platform. Read and listen to their work.

Some excellent displays of skill over the last 30 years. 1989……There are so many. But I loved Michael Carbajal vs Mungchai Kiitikasem and Chiquita Gonzlaes 1. Carbajal is as good a leverage puncher you will see. He’s largely forgotten as one of the best fighters under featherweight but I loved me some Michael Carbajal.

James Toney is a hardcore favorite. Watch him vs Michael Nunn, McCallum 1&2, Iran Barkley and Prince Charles Williams.

Watch what Buddy McGirt did to Simon Brown.

Watch Pernell Whitaker vs Greg Haugen and Josel Luis Ramirez2.

Watch Ricardo Lopez period. He was as good fight to fight as anyone I have ever studied. Doing film study you will observe “off” nights in a fighter’s prime. I haven’t seen Lopez have one. Even when he got drpped vs Rosendo Alvarez he was in form, Alvaraz was just a tremendous opponent.

After you check that out get back to me I will have some more for you.

Professor,

Major props to you and your work! Your knowledge and insights are astounding. I am going to keep this brief. Before I get to my question, the Japanese fighter that Munguia fought took some monster body shots and kept on coming. Thurman looked good coming off the lay off but I think he has reached his ceiling. If Tony Ayala had not got in trouble would he have made some noise in the super welter weight division? He was a mean and vicious fighter. Your thoughts would be welcomed.

Greg

Bread’s Response: Takeshi Inoue is a game fighter. Someone in the gym told me that Inoue would be stopped within 4 rounds. I told them don’t count on that. He has that courageous look to him where he has to be hit on the nerve center to be clipped.

Thurman didn’t look bad. He was off 2 years. There is a reason he fought Josesito Lopez. And let’s remember Lopez is no walk in the park. He’s not considered elite but he’s very capable. Lopez has a resume that is better than people assume. He has 2 highly debatable split decision losses to Wes Ferguson and Jesse Vargas. He beat a very talented undefeated Mike Dallas. He stopped Victor Ortiz. He was even with a prime streaking Marcos Maidana before being stopped. He beat a very good prospect in Aaron Martinez. He beat another undefeated prospect in Miguel Cruz and he was winning and out boxing Andre Berto before being clipped. Lopez’s record is misleading.

If Thurman took too much time with his injuries and never regains his form he will regret it for the rest of his life.…But I expect him to get better in the next fight. He needed those 12 rounds. The biggest dilemma Thurman has is what is his next step in matchmaking will be. He seems to call his own shots and he’s very cerebral. I’m curious as to who he’s willing to fight next. Some fighters have a different level of confidence where as they will still take a killer fight after struggling because they know they will rise to the occasion. Like Ray Leonard when he struggled vs Kevin Howard and he fought Marvin Hagler in his very next fight after another layoff. Let’s see where Thurman is mentally. I think he looked decent and will get better and it’s nothing to be alarmed about.

Bread,

I like mythical matchups as much as anyone and there are a couple I think are especially interesting. Wondering what you think would happen between:

Michael Spinks vs Evander Holyfield. Let’s say the versions of Spinks and Holyfield who first won the heavyweight title (Spinks Sept 85 vs Holmes, Holyfield Oct 90 vs Douglas).

Neither had ever lost or even been knocked down at that point in their careers. Holyfield went on to have greater overall success and longevity at heavyweight, but I could see Spinks giving him trouble (if he survived his typical slow start). Maybe rocking him with some counter rights. But could Spinks keep up with Holyfield’s work rate? Also, Spinks had more overall experience at that point but Holyfield had more heavyweight experience.

The other one is Pernell Whitaker (1989) vs Shane Mosley (1998) at lightweight. Whitaker was nearly flawless right about then but Mosley with his size and speed is one fighter I could potentially see giving him trouble. I heard that Whitaker used to get the better of Meldrick Taylor in sparring so maybe that’s a valid comparison. But I think Mosley probably hit harder and was a bit naturally bigger.

Thoughts?

—Clancy

Bread’s Response: Spinks vs Holyfield is an interesting mythical match up. Before I answer you directly I want to say I don’t think Spinks was at his peak at heavyweight. He was 4-1 at heavyweight and he did an awesome job but I’ve seen his peak and he was at his best from 81-85 at lightheavyweight. Holyfield on the other hand was still at his peak at heavyweight and had more longevity as a bigger fighter. I always like to envision peak vs peak.

But to answer you directly I think Holyfield ’90 would beat Spinks ’85. Holyfield would be too physically strong and too busy but he would have to be careful. Spinks was a vicious sneaky puncher and he may have hit harder than Holyfield for one big shot. He had a great jab and he was a nasty finisher. But I think Holy was too determined and his in fighting game would have been too much. I think Holyfield would have taken Spinks inside once he found that Spinks’s awkward punches were hard to gauge. The peak fight would be Holyfield as a cruiser in 88 and Spinks as a lightheavyweight but not cutting weight in 85. They both come in between 185-190 That’s a rough fight. Spinks is another guy who is criminally underrated.

I’ve heard mixed stories about Whitaker and Meldrick in sparring. I can envision both guys having their days. Mosley is really tough head to head at 135lbs. He’s abnormally big, and he was a rare volume power puncher with A+ handspeed. Very rare attributes. He also had an iron chin. I think Mosley was still at his peak when he rose to welterweight and he showed some flaws that we never saw at lightweight because of the competition level but I think there were always there. Mosley could be outboxed. He wasn’t the great boxer that he was originally viewed as. What he was, was an athletic attacker who had boxing ability. But he wasn’t a great boxer. He was often outboxed for long stretches. De La Hoya, Forest, Cotto, Winky, Floyd. I know he was older in some of those fights but not all. It would be easier to assess this fight if Mosley would have fought Floyd or Stevie Johnston at 135lbs.

This would be a hard fight on Whitaker because Mosley’s volume and hand speed would make it close. But I think Whitaker was the better fighter and he was tough enough to endure the rough spots. I would have loved to see this fight but right now I say Whitaker by close but clear decision.

Why do you think fans are so down on Anthony Joshua? It seems as though everyone is turning on him for not facing Wilder or Fury. How do you think Joshua’s resume stacks up and why do you think the fights are not happening?

Bread’s Response: I think boxing fans are boxing fans. They’re like and unfaithful woman. They will sack chase to quench their thirst. That’s just how fans are.

I want to see Anthony Joshua face Wilder or Fury as bad as anyone. But in boxing these things take time. They just fought each other and they are about to fight a rematch.

When I process a situation in boxing, I go by facts, the eye ball test and my gut reactions. I always come up with an Objective solution. Here is what I came up with.

Anthony Joshua has 50% less fights than Deontay Wilder and about few less fights than Tyson Fury. Both Wilder and Fury turned pro years before Joshua. But if you look close and keep your feeling out of it, you will see that Joshua has actually fought better competition overall.

Don’t take my word just look a their records. Look at how many fights they have, when they turned pro and who they have fought.

Starting with Kevin Johnson as an opponent who had never been stopped when Joshua was 12-0,  Joshua has faced 5 undefeated fighters. He has unified titles. Fought two Gold Medalist and one Hof in Wlad Klitschko who was NOT shot.

I’m not saying he has Ali’s resume. But fight for fight considering he turned pro later and has less fights, he has fought better competition than both Wilder and Fury. I know Fury had to take off for a while. I also know Wilder had a few fights that didn’t take place because of PEDs. So that’s no one’s fault. But if you go strictly by who fought who, Joshua has the best resume.

I’m not going to slam Joshua just yet. Let’s sort things out. Let’s see who Joshua faces next. Often times one sided stories come out about negotiations. I’m not saying everything we hear about Joshua not wanting to fight Fury or Wilder is a lie. I really don’t know. But what I am saying is that going by Joshua’s aggressive matchmaking with limited number of fights, I think he deserves the benefit of doubt when it comes to who he’s willing to fight. If Joshua faces Dillian Whyte or Big Baby Miller next while Fury and Wilder sort out their draw the rematch how can anyone be mad at that? If Joshua still has not faced Wilder or Fury by next year I will assume he’s ducking one or both. But as of right now, I say we give the guy a chance.

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Bread,

With the news of Wilder/Fury rematch soon to be set, it go me thinking of how the rematch will play out. Conventional wisdom will say the boxer usually beats the puncher in rematches, especially immediate rematches. But I'm not totally sold on that in this case. Let me explain why. Fury is a boxer, but he is very unorthodox and hard to prepare for. You don't totally understand what you are dealing with until you get in the ring with him. So some of the things he pulls off in the first fight won't be as surprising as the second fight. Wilder will certainly need to make some adjustments though. He fought angry and was too anxious for the KO early one which led to a lot of misses with the right hand. If he can be a bit more patient and close the gap and shoot a straight right instead of the looping right? He increases his chances big time. Also, he needs to change the target level of the right hand. If you notice, Fury ducks the same way on every shot. So this is where having someone like Eddie Futch would have been perfect as he would have had Wilder target the chest area and not the fact. So if Wilder targets the chest area and Fury ducks? Then the shot lands right on the chin. These are some of the reasons I'm not buying Fury easier in the rematch. Make no mistake, Fury will always be the far superior boxer and that's not going to change. I still say this is a pick-em. What do you say?

Take care,

Brad

Bread’s Response: I agree with 100% and I have said so publicly. I was there live at the arena and watching the fight I thought Fury edged it but with the 2 knockdowns I wasn’t surprised at a draw. Wilder needed a big last round and he got one. I thought Wilder won between 3-5 rounds. I thought Fury won between 7-9 rounds. Great fight.

But while watching the fight I kept saying to myself Fury has to be perfect for 36 minutes to beat Wilder. Wilder only has to be sharp for literally 1 second to beat Fury. It’s the gift and curse of being a puncher.

Now you get into probability. For as good as Fury fought he was knocked down twice and almost stopped. He fought the best fight of his career. He performed well vs Wlad but Wlad did not continue to press him like and animal. He tamed Wlad. He didn’t tame Wilder he just outboxed him.

So anybody analyzing this fight ask yourself, can Fury fight another perfect fight or close enough to one. I just don’t know if it’s possible. I’m not saying it’s impossible but it will be extremely tough.

Fury has to have a radar on Wilder every time he launches an attack. Wilder has the more simplistic road to victory. Use his jab more. Jab to the chest more. Change the projection of the right hand. And more importantly change the temperament of the right hand. Wilder has to try to stop trying to kill Fury with his money shot. Throw it clean, straight and sharp. And often times throw it where Fury will be, instead of where he’s at. You have good eyes, Fury bent to the same side all night.

I think Fury may have to actually adjust more. I think as you stated his awkwardness won’t be so unique the 2nd time around. That’s the gift and curse of being awkward. Fury slips and rolls punches. It’s a unique gift, especially for a BIG man. But larger fighters, usually don’t slip, duck and roll the way Fury does. In fact I have never seen a fighter remotely close to his size, slip, roll and duck so much.

I bring that up because that is the toughest defense to implore. Fighters who slip, roll and duck like Wilfred Benitez and Ali don’t do that as much as they age. It’s easier to block and parry. It’s just how the human body is wired. Often times larger heavyweights, like Vitali Klitschko who had excellent defense, extended their arms a little more and made their opponents fight through their arms.

I’m not suggesting that Fury should change his defense. He has excellent defense. But what I am suggesting is that style of defense he uses is harder to keep doing, especially facing a brutal one punch ko artist. If Fury is able to slip, roll and duck shots from Wilder again with his hands down he is truly SPECIAL. I mean I don’t think you guys get how special you have to be to do that defense, especially at 6’9. It’s mind boggling the coordination he has. But the scary thing is one miscalculated move and he’s hurt, knocked down or knocked out.

One of the better examples  I can give is Ali. Ali often slipped or pulled back on shots. Fury rolls right hands and pulls back on hooks. Similar to Ali. Ali misjudged a pull back on Henry Cooper and Joe Frazier and he was dropped bad by left hooks. Fury was caught pulling back after being caught with a right hand, and dropped in the last round with a left hook. Now look at Ali’s fight with the biggest puncher of them all, George Foreman. For the most part Ali blocked, caught and parried punches when he faced Foreman. It allowed him to conserve energy and it was easier to do, instead of slipping and sliding.

Let’s see how it plays out. I think the rematch will be interesting and it’s no guarantee Wilder gets outboxed again.

What's up Bread?

Choose the best scenario out of the three below for Adrien "The Problem" Broner:

1. Hire a nutritionist and follow a more strict diet to get back down to 135.  Face someone like Ricky Burns, Javier Fortuna, Jose Pedraza, or Richard Commey.  Broner-Burns was a fight that was discussed a few years back and both Commey and Fortuna have close, debatable losses to Broner's good friend Robert Easter Jr. 

2. Still hire a nutritionist and get back down to 140 and look to fight lightweights moving up.  Face someone like Raymundo Beltran, Luke Campbell, or Anthony Crolla.  Beltran's next fight is actually at 140 and perhaps the other guys would be willing to move up for the opportunity. 

3. Same as #2 but face legit super lightweights/junior welterweights.  Face someone like Julius Indongo, Terry Flanagan or Pablo Cesar Cano. 

I purposely left out the elite guys because it seems like Broner needs a confidence boost after his struggles at 147.  As you mentioned before, he can't bully guys at 147 like he could at 135 so which scenario would you choose for him out of the three? or would you do something different?

Peace,

William in West Palm

Bread’s Response: Throw #1 out my man. Broner has not made 135lbs in about 6 years. That would be dangerous for him. Remember he came in over weight for a title defense at 140. 135 would be a serious task that an aging fighter would have to be careful taking.

2. Is possible but if you look at Broner’s body he looked good at welterweight. I just don’t know if moving down at this point will be productive.

3. I don’t know bro, here is the thing. Broner has made loads of money. He’s always been taken care of as far as money. At some point he won’t get favorable matchmaking in order to make that crazy money.

Let’s just look at the PBC landscape and make this simple. I think Broner has 5 possible opponents. Andre Berto, Josesito Lopez, Brandon Rios, Omar Figueroa or Robert Guerrero. It’s really that simple. Broner will most likely fight one of those guys next.

Whats up Bread. Thanks for all the work you put into the mailbag each week, really appreciate your insights. What did you think of Keith Thurman's comeback fight?

I can't understand all the criticism of Thurman's performance vs Lopez. It seems very harsh. 22 months out and surgery on both hand and elbow, parts of the body that are going to have a big effect on your punching ability. Surely the important thing was just getting back into the ring and keeping the belt, and he did that.

I thought Thurman boxed well for the first six rounds, he was landing nice angles on Lopez, moving his feet well and to me his timing didn't look bad considering the lay-off. Plus the knockdown in the second was a good punch. Okay, he got buzzed in the 7th, but didn't that just show he's got a good chin and plenty of guts to survive it and bounce back? He should get some props for the way he handled that. The rest of the fight he went in to survival mode but I still think he nicked some of those rounds.

It's also disrespectful to Josesito Lopez to say Thurman didn't perform. Lopez was game. He never took a backwards step the whole fight. Yeah he had 7 losses coming in but you know that Robert Garcia was going to have his man ready and motivated. Lopez played his part.

It just seems like these days the minute someone has an off day, everyone's waiting to take them down on Twitter. Of course Thurman isn't ready for Spence or Crawford because it's the first fight back. Would you agree that he needs one more fight against a similar level opponent before considering unification fights? Like every fan, I want to see him in with Spence, Crawford, Pacquiao, D Garcia rematch. But I want to see the best Keith Thurman in those fights, free from injury and ring-rust. One more fight before those guys would not be ducking, it would smart.

Also what happened with those scorecards? I think both 113-113 from Ackerman and 117-109 from Schreck seemed off. Maybe Ackerman was scoring on aggression (from Lopez) and didn't like Thurman going on the run in the last 6 rounds and Shcreck was scoring based on who landed the cleaner, more effective punches. Boxing scoring is subjective and that's one of the many reasons why it's such an exciting sport but it's odd when two judges can see such a different fight. Weisfeld's 115-111 was about right for me.

All the best,
Nick, London, UK

Bread’s Response: I liked Weisfeld’s card also. I thought Thurman won 7 or 8 rounds in a tough fight especially on the back end. I also think the media and fans go overboard. If every fight gets held under the microscope you can criticize any fighter. Everyone has off nights even in their primes.

I don’t think Thurman looked bad but I am concerned about Thurman. It’s a stylistic concern. Thurman reminds me of Acelino Freitas. The excellent lightweight and junior lightweight champion. Both were billed as huge punchers but at the top level they became movers who tried to run their elite opponents into big shots.

Thurman’s visible flaw is he can be “carried fast”. He doesn’t know how to work in the box or hold his ground for a significant period of time and not get moved around the ring. So when the momentum is not on his side or he gets hit with a big punch it looks worse than what it is. It looks like Thurman is being walked down. The crowd and his opponent’s corner become excited and it affects the perception of the fight.

Danny Garcia had success with Thurman but Danny is not what you call a pressure guy. Danny is more of a hold his ground counter puncher. Shawn Porter applied excellent pressure but Thurman was able to land the cleaner more accurate shots so he edged Shawn. There is no guarantee Thurman will win a rematch over Porter.

The fighter who can pressure Thurman and be defensively responsible will be his biggest nightmare. Errol Spence with his high guard, power jab and down hill style is all wrong for Thurman and I can see why that fight has NOT been made. Terence Crawford has a walk down game also and he would also be a big problem for Thurman.

Freitas only lost 2 fights in his career. They were to Diego Corrales and Juna Diaz. Both carried him fast and stopped him late. Thurman will have to evolve that part of his game or else these next few years will be rough on him.

Josesito Lopez deserves credit. He wasn’t just competitive because Thurman was off 2 years. In the form that Lopez was in he would have always been competitive with Thurman.

What do you think was Floyd Mayweather’s most impressive performance? He has so many virtuoso’s I just can’t pick one.

Bread’s Response: I think Floyd Mayweather’s best performance was the Diego Corrales fight. He gave a clinic on the body jab and ring generalship. But his most impressive performance in my opinion was against Zab Judah.

Judah was a serious natural talent. He won 3 of the first 4 rounds and he unofficially dropped Floyd with a check right hook. Floyd was so calm under a real push from Judah. Floyd became physical with Judah. He start walking him down, touching him to the body and he completely took over after Judah great start. I had never seen Floyd lose 3 out of 4 rounds early ad he was the same as he was when he was dominating fights.

No change in his expression. No panic. No change of his breathing patterns. Man that was impressive. I don’t think you guys realize how tough it is at the elite level to turn a fight around after your opponent who is also elite catches a rhythm and is doing well. Floyd also is not a 1 punch ko artist so he had to chip away at Judah instead of clipping him with one big shot. That was the night I knew Floyd was a special fighter instead of just another special talent.

I know how much you admire GGG. So who do you think he signs with DAZN, ESPN+ or PBC?

Bread’s Response: That’s a good question and I have no idea. IT really depends on the secret meetings. One thing you have to learn about boxing is that the things that get reported are not always true.

This is not basketball. Some times the money gets passed under the table.

I didn’t know ESPN was in the running. They don’t have many opponents for GGG. But ESPN is a great platform so who knows. DAZN has the middleweights. They have Canelo, Andrade, Jacobs. That’s a tremendous line up.

PBC has Jermall Charlo, Matt Korobov and a slew of talented junior middleweights.

Both sides have murderous tough fights. I don’t think GGG runs the table on either side. It would most likely depend on the money and how much he has saved. Not to get personal but at his age he needs to secure his severance package from boxing.

I just don’t know which way he will go but I do wish him the best. After years of being ducked now he’s the fighter everyone wants I hope he gets paid handsomely.

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[QUOTE=HarvardBlue;19481824]I've always thought the Judah was an impressive fight for Mayweather but I wasn't as impressed as Bread. I agree with Corrales but I also liked the Cotto fight. Cotto was a little shot but he was game that night.…

Comment by Bronx2245 on 02-03-2019

[QUOTE=zoken;19483307]The difference between Canelo and GGG is their age...GGG had more than 300 amateur fights. I am sure he also faced different styles[/QUOTE]As GGG's level of competition went up, his level of performance went down! Fighting different styles for 3…

Comment by zoken on 02-02-2019

[QUOTE=Bronx2245;19481712]Really? Wow! I don't know. He's already 28. I think the difference between Canelo and GGG is that Canelo has faced so many styles, that his game kept improving, while GGG remained stagnant. He might not remain champion, but I…

Comment by DeeMoney on 02-02-2019

Good call on Toney v Barkley. Toney’s performance ranks up there in my mind as one of the examples of near perfection I have ever seen in my life in any field.

Comment by Bronx2245 on 02-02-2019

[QUOTE=aboutfkntime;19482326]yea [B]I saw the Usyk fight and the Ustinov[/B] fight [B]never seen Ajagba[/B], but I have read a couple articles on him back in Klitschko's day, there was a gap between him and the next best Povetkin, and a gap…

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