By Stephen "Breadman" Edwards
The Daily Bread Mailbag returns, with Stephen "Breadman" Edwards tackling topics such as Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, Demetrius Andrade vs. Jermall Charlo, the career of Donnies Nietes, and more.
After seeing Big Charlo and Andrade side by side. No one is going to convince me that Canelo and GGG are ducking them. Andrade is the sloppiest most talented fighter I’ve ever seen. And Charlo is big, strong and athletic but if he doesn’t catch you his opponents with a big shot, then he looks slightly above average. I’m not going to say he caught Jrock with a lucky punch but it was a bail out shot. Canelo will outbox him just like Jrock was doing and Koroborov did. It’s not a good look to vacate your title but it’s not out of fear. I think the public should clamor for Charlo and Andrade to fight each other. What do you think? I saw your twitter comments…”
Bread’s Response: I don’t believe Canelo is scared of any man. He’s a GUN and a killer and he’s proven it. I just don’t like the term “deserve”. Charlo was his mandatory. Can you remember the last time Canelo defended one of his titles vs a mandatory? I can’t either. I think it may have been Ryan Rhodes like 7 years ago.
Charlo and Andrade deserve the Canelo fight just as much as Liam Smith did. Just as much as Rocky Fielding did. Just as much as Erislandy Lara did. Just as much as Austin Trout did. Just as much as James Kirkland did. Just as much as Amir Khan did.
Now if Canelo decides to stall them out and make them earn it a little more I have NO problem with that. Canelo is a true superstar and superstars throughout history are shot callers. The term “deserve” is just misused in this case.
Charlo and Andrade performed like they usually do under those circumstances. Andrade usually gets out to a fast start. Puts his opponents in their place and then cruises to a decision. He’s been a pro for 11 years and he has almost 30 fights. That’s how he operates. The fans and critics are not crazy about his style. But he’s hard to beat. Andrade is the Michael Nunn of this era. Critics hated Nunn’s style but he got to almost 40-0 until a prime James Toney went into his hometown and stopped him. It’s going to take that type of effort to clip Andrade.
Charlo is a big, strong athletic guy. He’s a big puncher. But if he doesn’t catch his opponent with a big shot, he usually has some struggles as the fight goes on and he misses big. He’s not the hardest guy to hit. But that doesn’t mean he can’t beat Canelo. Charlo is the Jermaine Taylor of this era, but he seems more durable, more stable mentally and he has the twin appeal going. But both were big and strong but flawed and missed big shots. Taylor became the mandatory to the great Bernard Hopkins to earn his title shot. The only difference in the situation was Hopkins didn’t vacate, he fought Taylor……
Canelo would be the favorite to beat both guys. Andrade is the tougher guy stylistically. Charlo is the harder puncher. I agree with you about them fighting each other…
Canelo is obviously not going to give either an opportunity at this moment. So instead of waiting they need to go on the hunt. Charlo is 29 and Andrade is 31. They might be in their primes right now. Neither has beaten a big name at 160. Andrade just defeated his 1st top 10 guy at 160. Charlo has not fought a top 10 guy at 160 yet…
Both guys have to get active and start picking off future opponents for Canelo. They can fight each other. At a certain point a fighter has to do what’s best for them and not for the network or company. Whoever wins a fight between them would be a serious player. They would have 2 belts. They would be considered a top 10 P4P guy. And Canelo and GGG would have to take serious note.
They also could fight Daniel Jacobs. I know Jacobs and Andrade are friends. But Charlo is not Jacobs’s friend. Even if Jacobs moves up, Charlo can fight him at a catchweight at the Barclay’s. Andrade can go after Rob Brant. They can’t keep fighting twice a year vs their current level of competition, waiting for the lottery. It’s not going to happen like that. The time to make a move is now. Canelo obviously wants to go after established names at this point.
How do you see a possible Andrade vs. Charlo matchup? This fight could do a lot for the winner in terms of landing a GGG or Canelo fight. I personally believe Andrade beats all three of them and I think Charlo has a shot to beat GGG. I think Charlo gets hit a bit to clean to hang with Canelo. GGG would probably clip him to if he wasn't responsible defensively. With this talk of Canelo going up to light heavyweight do you think 175 is to big for him? I know he has a great chin but I think his ceiling is 168.
-Chris from Chicago
Bread’s Response: I think Charlo vs Andrade is a GREAT fight. I can envision both guys winning. I really don’t have a favorite. It’s a tough fight to call. Some days I see Andrade outboxing Charlo. Other days I think Charlo will be too strong. It’s weird. If you look at the Charlo vs Korobov fight you pick Andrade. If you look at Andrade vs Culcay you pick Charlo. The boxing world seems to want this fight. Let’s see if they can work together and make it happen. If either guy takes another 80/20 fight next the critics are going to kill their brand.
I think the quartet of Charlo, Andrade, GGG and Canelo are all about even as far as who can beat who. But GGG and Canelo have done a lot more so they have the A side power. Charlo can hang with Canelo but beating him is different. I think Charlo’s style suits Canelo. Charlo would have to have his jab pumping to keep up.
Charlo is heavy handed, he may be able to hurt GGG. They both have great chins. Some one would get seriously hurt of GGG fought Charlo.
Andrade has a nightmare style. GGG of 2014 could corner him. Not sure about now.
It depends on who Canelo fights at 175. A physical, fast light heavyweight wouldn’t be good for him. But remember Kovalev doesn’t like it to the body. They may know stories about him in the gym. They could be flirting the name out there. Who knows. Canelo is a shot caller. I don’t think he’s over his head vs Kovalev.
Let’s see what happens.
I wanted to get your take on this guy Donnie Nietes. He is in Ring P4P ratings but I only know about him what is mentioned in wikipedia. He does seem to have a extremely long and consistent record. I suppose, I can understand him being in Ring P4P ratings. How good is he as a boxer?
Did you see Spence saying that he will come after Canelo after he gets past Porter? He is longer and more rangy than Canelo so I guess he can take that risk better than others who move up two weight classes. If he does than it might just reduce the value of Spence vs Crawford cause I give a slight edge to Canelo. Anyway, what is it with boxers talking about jumping weight classes. Canelo says he wants Kovalev and Spence says he wants Canelo. Do you think they are serious or is it just trash talk? Personally, I would rather see Canelo fight GGG once again and Spence fight Crawford.
Bread’s Response: Donnie Nietes is the Chris John of this era. He’s really good but I think he needs to fight better fighters. His status if because of quantity and longevity. I like High quality runs even if they are shorter.
I think Spence could give Canelo a fight. I don’t know how he would carry 160. But I think Spence would do well at 154. He fought at 152 in the amateurs 7 years ago.
Once you reach a certain status you take viable money fights. That’s why fighters jump around in weight.
I’m extremely high on Erickson Lubin And really believe he is the goods but I am also under the belief that to be a great fighter you need to have at least a very good chin . the Charlo fight concerns me - do you think he has a weak chin or he was just caught cold ?? Howie from NJ
Bread’s Response: Erickson Lubin can bump. His ko loss didn’t make him gun shy at all. He’s a slinger. I don’t know if he has a bad chin or not. But dismissing him would be stupid. Early kos can be cases of just getting caught cold. But obviously we need to see him vs other athletic fighters who fire back. Lubin has been matched with the same type of guy over and over and he feast on those guys. Slower, Latino, junior middleweights. He carves them up. I believe he’s the real deal but we have to see him vs other kids who are fast enough and good enough to challenge his offense. That will let us know where he is. I personally believe he’s the real deal.
What's up Bread?
We as boxing fans often complain about how we want to see the best fighting the best, however we often fail to properly acknowledge when we actually get those fights. For example, The top four guys at junior welterweight will be fighting each other. Regis Prograis vs. Josh Taylor is TBA to conclude the WBSS and Jose Ramirez and Maurice Hooker face off on July 27th. With that said, who do you like in those matchups? and who do you think would emerge victorious if the winners of those fights met to determine supremacy at 140?
William in West Palm
Bread’s Response: Man junior welterweight heated up just in time. I have no idea who wins Taylor vs Prograis. I’m highest on Taylor but he seems to be treading a little water lately. He ma be ready to move up.
I favor Hooker over Ramirez. Hooker has really improved. He got a gift vs Darley Perez a few years back but he’s really been rolling lately. Ramirez was allowed to avoid Prograis and when a young fighter gets to do that, it takes away his progression to the next level in my opinion. Only aging veterans should get that pass.
Short and sweet . I have four questions .
1 - Would DAZN have an impact on the negotiation between GGG and Canelo . What behind the closed door insight can you tell us about fight negotiations .
2 - Callum Smith vs Canelo
3 - Sergey Kovalev vs Canelo
4 - Just for fun , Bob Foster vs Canelo
Bread’s Response: 1. Both fighters fight on DAZN the negotiations should be easy. DAZN went up on subscriptions. That alone tells you they are charging more so they can pay more money.
What I can say about fight negotiations is if both fighters really want the fight, the fight will happen. If they start threatening to fire their business people the business people will get it done. Fighters duck other fighters by making unreasonable demands.
2. I like Smith over Canelo. I have no idea what Canelo sees in Smith. Smith is very refined technically and he can PUNCH. He’s also 6 inches taller. If Canelo beats him he’s an ATG.
3. Let me get back to you on Kovalev vs Canelo. I think Kovalev is fragile to the body and at this point he will be hot n cold from fight to fight.
4. Come on man. Foster!
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