By Stephen "Breadman" Edwards
The Daily Bread Mailbag returns with Stephen "Breadman" Edwards giving his thoughts on Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao, Terry Norris, Adrien Broner vs. Brandon Rios, the worth of Sadam Ali, Danny Garcia and the winner over Robert Guerrero, and more.
What's up Bread?
I just re-watched the May/Pac fight. I'm a Pac fan, but May won convincingly. I gave Pac 4 rounds. On a macro level, May won fairly easy if you're scoring 8 to 4. On a micro level, if you're looking at the action inside each round, Pac made a pretty good showing for himself, even with his "Pac Mistakes" and advanced age. May is just a master at controlling distance and countering Pac leaping in, etc.
I'm bringing this up because fighting such a hard puzzle in May, and solving parts of it on occasion will make fighting and adjusting to Bradley easier the 3rd time. The experience in fighting May even in a loss will help Pac in the Bradley fight, even with his advanced age and declining desire.
My prediction is a decisive (but not easy) win for Pac. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Bradley has another leg injury. He's two for two. Something about Pac's movements does not jive with Tim's body and the way it he has to adjust.
Bread’s Response: I agree with you 100% about Pacman’s performance against Mayweather. I also scored it 8-4. I thought Pac did some nice work. The only disappointing part in his performance for me was he didn’t push down the stretch. But I don’t think he can push down the stretch anymore. That’s why he doesn’t score those beatdown late kos that he used to. His stamina and explosiveness throughout the fight has dissipated.
On Manny’s best day he’s better than Timmy, because if you look at it Manny is past his prime and Timmy was in his when they first started fighting each other. You can see by the fights that Manny is a little better. But I think Timmy is hungrier closer to his physical peak and I just don’t trust Manny’s dedication anymore. On top of that he’s delusional. He really thinks he beat Floyd. I’m taking Tim by a decision. But I hear and agree with your points if Manny could get in tip top shape….
What's up Bread?
Here is a hypothetical scenario for you as a trainer:
Let's say you have a choice of three opponents for J-Rock for a huge payday. Your choices are:
1. Terry Norris
2. Ike Quartey
3. Mike McCallum
I chose retired fighters of course but let's assume each is in their absolute prime. Who is the most favorable matchup and why?
William in West Palm
Bread’s Response: Man this is tough but I would take Norris. He had the biggest name and the most susceptible chin.
What's up Bread?
Your comments on Adrien Broner and Brandon Rios in your most recent mailbag about their respective careers at 135 got me to thinking about what would have happened if they had faced off in 2012. Who wins between the Broner who destroyed Antonio DeMarco and pre-Alvarado Rios? Would Bam Bam be able to impose his will at close range? Would the Problem be able to hold him off for 12 rounds if necessary?
William in West Palm
Bread’s Response: Wow that’s a great fight. I say Broner edges him but it’s a 50/50 high contact affair. Just think Broner punches a little too crisp at 135.
What's up Breadman? I hope everything is going well with you. I've been paying real close attention to the 140lb-154lb division! I know people are really high on Errol Spence and Julian "J-Rock" Williams and so am I. There is also another contender that I'm really high on and that is Sadam Ali. I think Sadam Ali is going make easy work of Jessie Vargas. Sadam Ali has the ability to take over 147lbs. It's going to take someone really special to beat Ali or a perfect shot. Sadam Ali does a good job of pivoting, changing the pace of a fight when he needs to, and seems to be mentally strong! He can fight on outside, knows how to tie his man up on the inside, and can fight going backwards. I really want to see Ali fight Bradley, Garcia, and Thurman down the road. I would like to hear your feedback! Keep up the good work Breadman!
Randy from NC
Bread’s Response: I really wasn’t too high on Ali until he beat Juan Abregu. He really turned the corner with that performance. Sometimes a prospect just needs more time than others. Ali is a member of the 2008 Olympic Team and people have been waiting to for him to turn the corner for a while now. He finally has. I’m looking forward to seeing if he can dominate Jesse Vargas. I think he will win but I’m not sure if he can dominate. Ali is a player in the division. Let’s see if he can get some big fights in the next year.
Right now he’s in my top 10 at welterweight but he’s in the bottom half. All of the guys you named I would make favorites to beat Ali.
What's good Bread? Decent scrap between Garcia and Guerrero this past weekend. Guerrero and his dad have nothing to complain about. Garcia won the fight cleanly. Guerrero did good work rounds 1 through 4, but after that all he really did was plant his head in Danny's chest and try to smother him. I don't like when Guerrero fights like that because he is not effective. All he does is throw pitty pat punches to his opponents obliques when he fights like that. He ends up smothering a lot of his own offense in this way, and to the untrained eye it may look like he is landing a lot of punches but the punch stats say otherwise. He is much more effective when he uses his length, jab, and boxing ability. Here's where I want to give Danny a lot of credit. Many of Danny's critics say that he has either peaked or stopped improving after the Matthyse fight. I would argue that Guerrero's ineffectiveness past round 5 was do to the improvements that Danny and his camp have made. We all know that Danny can punch, but in past fights his punches looked slow because he would load up and throw wide looping shots to get more leverage and power on them. In this fight I finally started to see a quicker straight right hand from Danny. He used it in combinations and as a lead. He also had Guerrero confused at times by switching between a straight right hand and a right hook from the orthodox stance. I thought the Garcias' game plan was actually pretty good because Guerrero comes straight forward without much head movement, and he doesn't use many angles. Danny took his time, felt what Guerrero had to offer, and then turned the heat up. I don't see many people mentioning this but I feel like Danny throws some of the best body shots in the game. He seems to have this pattern where he focuses on the body for the first 4 to 5 rounds, and then goes upstairs once those arms start to drop. He also has once of the best chins in boxing. If you watch closely, Guerrero's expressions showed that he did not like those body shots. Once his arms started to drop he was feeling those right hands and left hooks to the jaw as well. Danny just looks very strong at welterweight and I am interested to see if he may either get Tim Bradley if he defeats Pacquiao or if he takes on the winner of Porter vs. Thurman.
-Chris from the Chi
Bread’s Response: I once watched an interview with Max Kellerman and he made one of the greatest points I ever heard anywhere. He talked about subjective preference vs the objective truth. I like to give attribution where it’s due. I think one of the reasons why people don’t like or appreciate Danny Garcia is because of their subjective preference.
They say Danny is a big puncher, yet he doesn’t have what you call a glossy ko record. 18kos in 32 fights is good but it’s not overwhelming. When you try to describe Danny’s style you don’t see a slick boxer like Ivan Calderon. He’s not an attacker like Felix Trinidad. He’s not an all around blue chip technician like Carlos Ortiz. Danny does not look like other Puerto Rican greats.
Danny was the Ring Magazine Champion at 140lbs. After taking two fights in which he was the underdog vs Amir Khan and Lucas Matthysse instead of fighting better and better competition. His movement actually decelerated. People want their stars to fight like say an Oscar De La Hoya when he lined up tough guy after tough guy progressively.
Then in Danny’s performances he’s not overwhelming. He doesn’t score 12-0 shutouts. Or for the most part against his better competition he doesn’t score early blowouts. So Danny gets heat from every angle.
You have to be openminded to appreciate Danny Garcia. There have been other fighters who didn’t always dominate but for the most part they won. Larry Holmes had lots of close calls in his 19 title defenses. He was knocked down heavy by Earnie Shavers and Renaldo Snipes. . And before Michael Spinks officially beat him. Tim Witherspoon and Carl Williams may have. He even won the title on a split decision vs Ken Norton. Eusebio Pedroza is another great fighter who had many close calls. His fights with Juan Laporte, Rocky Lockridge and Bernard Taylor could have gone the other way but Pedroza always got the benefit of the doubt. Take a look at the New England Patriots. All 4 of their Super Bowl wins have come down to the last possession. They are a great team but they aren’t dominant.
Some fighters, some sports teams, some athletes in general are just winners but they aren’t dominant in their wins. I call them bottom line guys. Usually when you win like Danny does, you have to either upset the apple cart in some big fights or have great longevity in order to be appreciated. I’m not saying Garcia is as good as Holmes or Pedroza because at this point it’s not close. But the kid has a “clutch gene”.
Danny has received the benefit of the doubt in all of his close fights in his career. Ashley Theopane, Erik Morales1, Mauricio Herrera, Lamont Peterson and now Robert Guerrero. But that’s not the same as receiving a gift. I have never seen him get a “gift”. But for some reason the judges go his way in tight spots. He has an influential charisma in the way he fights.
I’m taking the time to explain this because Danny deserves it. I thought Guerrero came out great. He was “on” as we call it. Danny found a right hand pot shot midway through and rode it to a victory. He usually does something like that in every fight. He also did great body work early which set up the late surge. As much as people hate Danny, he’s a couple more significant victories away from being a HOF. Just think about where Danny would be if he were able to defeat Keith Thurman and Tim Bradley. He would be the underdog vs both but he’s not upside down vs anybody except Floyd Mayweather. The Objective Truth trumps Subjective Preference.
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