Insider Notebook: Mayweather, Golovkin-Quillin, Wilder
By Robert Morales
Nothing has changed. Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao will never fight until Pacquiao is no longer associated with Bob Arum. So it seems, anyway.
A recent story in the Grand Rapids Press said that Mayweather refuses to do business with his former promoter, Arum. This is not news, as the two haven't exactly been bosom buddies since their split years ago. Pacquiao is under contract to Arum through 2014, the story noted, so we would be looking at 2015 at the earliest. By then, it's hard to say how many fans would really care.
Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, intimated to BoxingScene.com on Tuesday that he is of the same mind as Mayweather.
"Well, you know, as Bob Arum said once about some of the fighters which back then were promoted by Golden Boy - like Shane Mosley and Juan Manuel Marquez - you know, when they're no longer with Golden Boy, then they can get Pacquiao," Schaefer said.
"And, you know, as they say, what goes around comes around. And I think once Pacquiao is no longer with Top Rank, I think we could see that fight."
The bottom line is, Mayweather and Golden Boy - which helps Mayweather promote his fights - hold all the cards. Mayweather is undefeated and is the consensus No. 1 pound-for-pound fighter. He's the man. At this point, it appears he doesn't need Pacquiao as much as Pacquiao needs him.
In other words, all that recent talk by Arum about how Pacquiao-Mayweather can still be made, likely won't amount to a hill of beans because it takes two to tango and it sounds like Mayweather and Company want no part of it if Arum is on the dance floor.
Schaefer not overwhelmed by Pacquiao's performance
As long as we had Schaefer on the line, we thought it would be interesting to see what he thought about Pacquiao's dominant victory over Brandon Rios on Nov. 23. His review of Pacquiao's 12-round decision was mixed.
"I saw the fight and I think it was a very one-sided fight," Schaefer said. "You look at some of these fights that have recently happened, they are sort of like, you know who's going to win. And it always happens. I mean, these are fights where you just know who's going to win. In my opinion, it takes a lot of fun out of watching boxing. So I had no doubt Pacquiao was going to win and I think he looked good in winning."
Here's where Schaefer got tough, with Pacquiao taking an indirect hit and Rios being chopped low.
"I think you always have to look at the opposition and it seems like everybody just likes to beat up on Brandon Rios," Schaefer said. "And I think he's an exciting guy, Brandon Rios; I'll give him that. But at one point, if everybody just unloads on him, then he sort of becomes a punching bag. At one point, that's not fun to watch anymore.
"And so I think with Pacquiao's performance, you have to put it in relation to the strength of his opponent. But he did what he was supposed to do and he did it in convincing fashion. He delivered and I'm happy for him."
Sanchez talks Golovkin's next foe, future
Perhaps one of these days reporters will get an email announcing that a fighter of some serious ilk has agreed to fight IBO/WBA middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin. For now, we'll have to settle for one saying the hard-hitting Golovkin will defend his belts against Osumanu Adama of Ghana on Feb. 1 in Monte Carlo, Monaco.
Abel Sanchez, Golovkin's out-spoken trainer, sized up Adama during a telephone conversation Tuesday morning.
"He fought Daniel Geale in the significant fight that I saw," said Sanchez, alluding to Adama's challenge to then-middleweight champion Geale in March 2012 in Australia that Geale won by scores of 118-110, 117-111 and 115-113. "He gave Geale some problems and he went 12 rounds. But he's a guy that is one of those spoiler types that no one really wants to fight, either.
"He does well against the good guys and loses against the bad guys. He gets up for the fights, I guess."
As of now, there is no global television for this fight. Sanchez said the he was hopeful HBO would take it on, but that the dates it had available did not jibe with the schedule Team Golovkin wants to be on, one that will have Golovkin fight four times in 2014, like he did this year.
In other words, if Golovkin wants to fight four times in '14, at least one of them will have to be off major TV.
All that said, there is a plan that Sanchez is hopeful will come to fruition. It's going to take some cooperation from other fighters and their teams, however, and until now that has not materialized.
"The hope is that somebody steps up," Sanchez said. "(Sergio) Martinez, I think, is probably furthest from a possibility just because of the mention of, I think, a (Miguel) Cotto fight and him (Martinez) dropping down to 154. And again, staying away from Golovkin, I think you're right about (Lou) DiBella and the brain trust over there thinking that it's at the end of the guy's career, so why chance it.
"But we're hoping that this (HBO and Showtime) network issue gets resolved and (Peter) Quillin, instead of talking, steps up to the plate."
Quillin is another middleweight champion who fights for Golden Boy on Showtime.
There are other scenarios. Yet another champion, Darren Barker, is defending against former champion Felix Sturm on Saturday in Germany; Sanchez said Golovkin is in Germany and will attend that fight because he could possibly take on the winner.
"Those are the names that are at least on top of the middleweights and once that's done and exhausted, then I think the whole team is looking to move up to 168," Sanchez said from his training camp high atop the mountains of Big Bear, Calif. "Who knows against who?"
Sanchez said Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. is one possibility at super middleweight.
"Or it could be (Andre) Ward if that can be put together," Sanchez said. "But I think exhausting all the possibilities at 160 is the priority right now for Team Golovkin."
Schaefer: Team Golovkin's lack of respect not helping
The television situation aside - Golovkin fights for rival HBO - Schaefer said that a lack of respect from Team Golovkin toward Golden Boy in regards to Quillin is not helping a thing.
"I like to do great fights and I don't have a problem and I know Peter Quillin has no problem with fighting anybody, including Golovkin," Schaefer said. "But I have to tell you, what doesn't get one very far with me is when they become disrespectful. Like Abel Sanchez has, and Tom Loeffler has, and HBO has by not wanting to work with us.
"So as long as these kinds of situations exist, I see no chance of that fight happening. I never said a bad word about Golovkin because I believe Golovkin is a very talented fighter."
Schaefer couldn't help but take a shot at Golovkin's upcoming opponent, though.
"You have to look at the quality of the opposition," Schaefer said, again. "Who do you think is going to win in Monaco? They just announced the fight. The guy (Adama), I forget his name, I've never heard of him. So I tell you what's going to happen: Golovkin is going to knock the guy out and certain TV (announcers), like Max Kellerman, he's going to be like jumping up and down and he's going to say what kind of animal Golovkin is, that this is like the knockout of the knockout. You know that's going to happen.
"I don't like to do those fights. I don't like to see fights where you know who's going to win. And I think even Larry Merchant in a recent interview on BoxingScene, alluded to the fact that these one-sided matchups are going to have to stop."
Loeffler, incidentally, is general manager of K2-Promotions, for which Golovkin fights.
What's next for Wilder?
Schaefer said he has petitioned the WBC, for which Vitali Klitschko holds the heavyweight championship, to give Klitschko champion emeritus status while he campaigns for the presidency in his native Ukraine.
That would pave the way for the Nos. 1 and 2 contenders - Bermane Stiverne and Chris Arreola - to fight for the title with Klitschko being able to fight whoever is chamnpion if and when he decides to continue his career; he is 42.
Schaefer has a different idea if the WBC takes this action. He would like to see his fighter - Deontay Wilder, who is ranked No. 3 by the WBC - get the shot with Stiverne with the winner fighting Arreola. It's out of sequence, but Schaefer believes that would be the most desirable way to go.
"Well, I would have to work something out with Team Arreola," Schaefer said; Arreola fights for Goossen Tutor Promotions. "We've already seen Stiverne and Arreola; they already fought. So I think it probably would be more attractive to have a fight between Stiverne and Deontay Wilder, but of course, respecting the rights of Chris Arreola to fight for the title.
"Maybe have them on the same card and then him (Arreola) knowing that he would be fighting the winner right away. You know, some sort of set-up like that, I could envision."
Of course, there is always the possibility that because Stiverne is suing his promoter, Don King, for allegedly violating the Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act, Stiverne might not even be available to fight until that is resolved.
Schaefer suggested that could clear the way for Wilder and Arreola to get it on for the title. That would make Schaefer a happy man.
"I would love to see Arreola and Wilder, that would be the fight I would like to see," Schaefer said. "If it's for a title or not a title or whatever, if it's just to be able to sit there ringside and see what's going to happen in that fight. There would be so many interesting story lines, too many good possibilities which could come out of that."
Especially if the Arreola that demolished Golden Boy fighter Seth Mitchell in one round last September still exists.
"If that Chris Arreola shows up, then I think he definitely has a word to say there in the heavyweight division and I think Chris realizes the difference in the performance when he trains and shows up, and when he doesn't train. I hope that his old days, when we saw an out-of-shape Chris Arreola, are a thing of the past."
Ramirez: Arreola likely will always train in Arizona now
A big reason why Arreola wasn't as flabby as usual when he took apart Mitchell is because he left his familiar surroundings in his native Riverside, Calif. to train in Arizona. Henry Ramirez, Arreola's trainer, told Arreola they had to make that move or he wasn't going to train him for the fight.
Ramirez said as much during a recent interview at Warzone Boxing Club in Rancho Cucamonga, Calif.
"When we were offered the Mitchell fight, I said I would do it if we go away for training," said Ramirez, who has taken a lot of lumps in the media for supposedly being being too close to Arreola to lay down the law about his poor training habits. "I said, 'If we don't go away to training camp, I don't even want to bother.' "
Whether it's for a fight with Wilder or someone else, Ramirez expects Arreola will train in Arizona from here on out.
"Absolutely, 100 percent," Ramirez said. "I could see us doing probably every training camp there. Going to Arizona was by far the best thing."
Arreola did not go there for his fight with the aforementioned Stiverne in April in Ontario, Calif. Arreola trained locally, when he showed up to train. Arreola was decked in the third round and lost a wide decision.
"The Stiverne fight, I mean, he had no business in the ring," Ramirez said of Arreola. "The way he trained for that fight, the outcome wasn't surprising."
Robert Morales covers boxing for the Los Angeles Daily News and BoxingScene.com.
[QUOTE=Rawja;13998492]It's sad that Manny's performance against Rios gets downplayed because of business situations. [B] Floyd's performance against Canelo was basically the same thing.[/B] A one sided clinic against a serious underdog. Difference being Canelo was over rated and most won't…Comment by mrjoeblive on 12-11-2013
[QUOTE=mrlopez;13997225]everything shafter said about pac and about pac vs rios, you could say the same thing about mayweather and whoever they put in front of him....shafter is as ignorant as arum[/QUOTE] what the hell are you talking about??????? so your…Comment by Hougigo on 12-05-2013
[QUOTE=DuckDodgers;13998779]I like Schaefer, but this is the same guy that gave us Canelo vs Josesito Lopez last year. He has no business criticizing GGG for taking a stay-busy fight, especially since GGG has been fighting every 3 months like clockwork.…Comment by DuckDodgers on 12-05-2013
I like Schaefer, but this is the same guy that gave us Canelo vs Josesito Lopez last year. He has no business criticizing GGG for taking a stay-busy fight, especially since GGG has been fighting every 3 months like clockwork.…Comment by Rawja on 12-05-2013
It's sad that Manny's performance against Rios gets downplayed because of business situations. Floyd's performance against Canelo was basically the same thing. A one sided clinic against a serious underdog. Difference being Canelo was over rated and most won't admit…Post a Comment/View More User Comments (38)