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Old 08-12-2006, 06:13 PM
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I was just watching the Larry Holmes vs Ken Norton fight, and although I don't like admitting it, it seems to me that Larry Holmes jab is faster than Muhammad Ali's jab. Is there anyone else that thinks this or am I just crazy?
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Old 08-12-2006, 08:07 PM
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I think it was slightly slower but more powerful.
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Old 08-12-2006, 08:12 PM
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Holmes had a different type of jab than Ali. Ali used his jab to blind opponents for the follow-up punches, or just through it as a fast, slashing type of jab....once again, to blind the opponent to help him "disappear" so to speak. It was as much a part of his offense as his defense; but wasn't a powerful punch, per-say.

Holmes, on the other hand, used his jab more as an offensive weapon, which was a damaging punch in and of itself. He didn't necessarily rely on it to set anything up, though he could use it in that regard. Holmes's jab was a powerful jab with a lot of pop to it, used for busting up his opponents and knocking them off balance.

Holmes's jab was more akin to Liston's. It wasn't exactly used in the same regard as Sonny's was most definetly an offensive weapon in and of itself as well as a set-up punch; but Larry's jab was more akin to Sonny's that it was to Muhammad's, IMO.
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Old 08-12-2006, 08:46 PM
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Holmes had a different type of jab than Ali. Ali used his jab to blind opponents for the follow-up punches, or just through it as a fast, slashing type of jab....once again, to blind the opponent to help him "disappear" so to speak. It was as much a part of his offense as his defense; but wasn't a powerful punch, per-say.

Holmes, on the other hand, used his jab more as an offensive weapon, which was a damaging punch in and of itself. He didn't necessarily rely on it to set anything up, though he could use it in that regard. Holmes's jab was a powerful jab with a lot of pop to it, used for busting up his opponents and knocking them off balance.

Holmes's jab was more akin to Liston's. It wasn't exactly used in the same regard as Sonny's was most definetly an offensive weapon in and of itself as well as a set-up punch; but Larry's jab was more akin to Sonny's that it was to Muhammad's, IMO.
So you think Ali's jab was faster?
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Old 08-12-2006, 09:01 PM
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So you think Ali's jab was faster?
Sorry....yes. Ali's jab was faster; but Larry's carries more pop.
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Old 08-12-2006, 10:31 PM
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Sorry....yes. Ali's jab was faster; but Larry's carries more pop.


larry's jab was beautiful to watch, unless, that is, it was coming towards u
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Old 08-12-2006, 10:48 PM
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Holmes had a different type of jab than Ali. Ali used his jab to blind opponents for the follow-up punches, or just through it as a fast, slashing type of jab....once again, to blind the opponent to help him "disappear" so to speak. It was as much a part of his offense as his defense; but wasn't a powerful punch, per-say.

Holmes, on the other hand, used his jab more as an offensive weapon, which was a damaging punch in and of itself. He didn't necessarily rely on it to set anything up, though he could use it in that regard. Holmes's jab was a powerful jab with a lot of pop to it, used for busting up his opponents and knocking them off balance.

Holmes's jab was more akin to Liston's. It wasn't exactly used in the same regard as Sonny's was most definetly an offensive weapon in and of itself as well as a set-up punch; but Larry's jab was more akin to Sonny's that it was to Muhammad's, IMO.
Great post. I agree.
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Old 08-13-2006, 07:10 AM
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to me larrys jab seemed to hurt people more than his cross this probably comes from being a left hander in an orthodox stance
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Old 08-13-2006, 04:44 PM
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to me larrys jab seemed to hurt people more than his cross this probably comes from being a left hander in an orthodox stance
where did you find this out , it has been a theory of mine
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Old 08-14-2006, 10:27 AM
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alis was faster but less powerful.
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