Loeffler never offered Ward 164, but..........

[Motorcity Cobra]

Loeffler said there was never an offer to Ward at 164. Rafael asked him what would it take to get the fight done and Loeffler said 164 & 50/50 split. He said Ward name was on the list of potential opponent's they gave to HBO back in 2013. This was at around the time of Sanchez's 154-168 comment . Another fighter whose name was on that list was Edwin Rodriguez. In an interview back in 2013 he explained what went down

Ironically enough, the main event of the March 30th card is Gennady Golovkin vs. Nobuhiro Ishida for Golovkin’s WBA middleweight title. A fight between Rodriguez and Golovkin had been discussed over the past few months, but ultimately it was turned down by Rodriguez who explained that the terms of the fight weren’t adequate enough to take on a whim. However, he did say that he could see a potential fight down the road.

“I would love to [fight Gennady], his team and promotional company send me a contract to fight at 164lbs and next day they say I have to be 10lbs off. They go on HBO and say they’re big enough to fight anybody from 154 to 168, after I win this tournament I’m open if you want to fight me. My weight is 168lbs, come and get it.”

Rodriguez explained further that not only was he dissatisfied with the terms of the fight, but he also felt frustrated about the situation in its entirety and even took a stab at what a catch weight could suggest about the confidence in Golovkin and his team.

“Don’t send me a contract saying I have to be 10lbs off or come down to a catch weight, I’m a super middleweight and you said you’d fight anyone from 154 to 168 but then you’re fighting guys at light middleweights. If you’re really as good as you say and your team really believes you’re that good then move up and fight me at 168 and stop sending me contracts that aren’t even worth looking at.”

http://thaboxingvoice.com/edwin-rodriguez-hopes-a-tournament-victory-lands-a-big-fight-with-kessler-ward-or-froch/11173

[Motorcity Cobra]

And Rodriguez did win that Monte Carlo tournament and later lost to Ward

[The Big Dunn]

While I completely understand Rodriguez' points, it's hard to fault Team GGG for using GGG's economic drawing power to control negotiations with fighters who do not generate as much. This is how the sport has operated for years.

I just hope his fans hold him to the same standards they hold other fighters.

[daggum]

And Rodriguez did win that Monte Carlo tournament and later lost to Ward

zsolt erdei-grachev-rodriguez-ward

ward is the lineal 175 pound champ. the man that beat the man that beat the man etc...proof! lets see if kovalev can become the man. i doubt it. he's just a boy!

[Motorcity Cobra]

While I completely understand Rodriguez' points, it's hard to fault Team GGG for using GGG's economic drawing power to control negotiations with fighters who do not generate as much. This is how the sport has operated for years.

I just hope his fans hold him to the same standards they hold other fighters.

This was back in 2013. They both were fighting on that Monte Carlo card. He was a bigger draw than Rodriguez but I don't think he had broken thru yet. Had he?

[j0zef]

Oh for god's sake. Read PBP's post on moving up.
"Daring to Be Great" Has an Expensive Pricetag and it Always Has

Just because you CAN fight at that weight doesn't mean you're gonna fight everyone at that weight. Edwin was an unknown SMW. Golovkin was an unknown MW. So they offered him a CW, he refused - obviously a great career move. He just got KTFO by the 20th ranked LHW in an empty arena.

Yadda yadda Ward 164 doe doe doe, get this bull**** out of here.

[daggum]

While I completely understand Rodriguez' points, it's hard to fault Team GGG for using GGG's economic drawing power to control negotiations with fighters who do not generate as much. This is how the sport has operated for years.

I just hope his fans hold him to the same standards they hold other fighters.

irony alert? you expected pac to take a 40 million flat offer with no ppv in a 500 million dollar fight but also expected ggg to fight ward for 50-50 when he outdraws him by far. you see the hypocrisy don't you? you say things like well 40 million was pac's highest payday which it might have been by a very very small margin of 20% or so but ignore how if floyd had fought pac for a reasonable split it would have been his highest payday by about 400% if you say well pac's the b-side so he has to do whatever aside wants i can coutner with ggg's the a-side he can do whatever a-side wants and destroy your ggg ducked ward arguemnt. you can't have everything both ways. you just hold the guys you like to different mostly non existent standards. its ok to be biased. if you weren't biased you would be a great poster. you would be me lol!

[Motorcity Cobra]

Oh for god's sake. Read PBP's post on moving up.
"Daring to Be Great" Has an Expensive Pricetag and it Always Has

Just because you CAN fight at that weight doesn't mean you're gonna fight everyone at that weight. Edwin was an unknown SMW. Golovkin was an unknown MW. So they offered him a CW, he refused - obviously a great career move. He just got KTFO by the 20th ranked LHW in an empty arena.

Yadda yadda Ward 164 doe doe doe, get this bull**** out of here.

No. As I said and Rodriguez said. This was the time of the 154-168 comment and the list of fighters they gave to HBO as possible opponent's. Rodriguez was on that list. In public they were saying 154-168 but in private it was 164 with a 10lb rehydration limit

[The Big Dunn]

irony alert? you expected pac to take a 40 million flat offer with no ppv in a 500 million dollar fight but also expected ggg to fight ward for 50-50 when he outdraws him by far. you see the hypocrisy don't you? you say things like well 40 million was pac's highest payday which it might have been by a very very small margin of 20% or so but ignore how if floyd had fought pac for a reasonable split it would have been his highest payday by about 400% if you say well pac's the b-side so he has to do whatever aside wants i can coutner with ggg's the a-side he can do whatever a-side wants and destroy your ggg ducked ward arguemnt. you can't have everything both ways. you just hold the guys you like to different mostly non existent standards. its ok to be biased. if you weren't biased you would be a great poster. you would be me lol!

Please, go troll somewhere else you ****** maggot. Stop lying, none of us knew how much the fight would gross when the $40 mil, no ppv offer was made. I also have never said GGG ducked ward.

stop over exaggerating the difference between GGG and ward. GGG fills more seat in part because his ticket prices are so low. thats why he sells out arenas but his ppv flopped. people don't mind paying $10-30 but didn't want to pay $50.

It was closer to 43% more than he had ever made -$40 mil (no ppv) vs $28 mil (with bulk of ppv). when BJS turned down his biggest payday ever from GGG, you killed BJS and called him a duck. yet you gave manny a pass?

The bottom line is GGG felt he could go to 168 for easy wins but 164 for tougher fights with ward and rodriguez. This is something you have always criticized yet didn't when GGG did it.

Despite me not being a GGG fan, I posted You can't fault GGG in this instance IMO. If I am biased, its toward the a side.

[bluebeam]

irony alert? you expected pac to take a 40 million flat offer with no ppv in a 500 million dollar fight but also expected ggg to fight ward for 50-50 when he outdraws him by far. you see the hypocrisy don't you? you say things like well 40 million was pac's highest payday which it might have been by a very very small margin of 20% or so but ignore how if floyd had fought pac for a reasonable split it would have been his highest payday by about 400% if you say well pac's the b-side so he has to do whatever aside wants i can coutner with ggg's the a-side he can do whatever a-side wants and destroy your ggg ducked ward arguemnt. you can't have everything both ways. you just hold the guys you like to different mostly non existent standards. its ok to be biased. if you weren't biased you would be a great poster. you would be me lol!

And i can counter with canelo is the A side against ggg. A side can do whatever they want right?


Don't be a hypocrite bro