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Old 04-12-2006, 10:27 AM #1
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now that butterfly is gone we can make "ali sux and ali is overated threads".


ali is overated cause


- he lost to a blown up light-H but got a gift decision

- he was nearly knocked out by a 183lb man with 1 punch but his trainer saved his ass

- he wanted to quit on his stool vs liston, but his trainer once again had to save his ass

- liston took a dive in both bouts, ali would never beat a prime liston


- ali lost all 3 fights to ken norton. the judges however gave ali gifts.


- the only matchup where ali-frazier fought closest to there prime, frazier won handily.

- he recieved several gift decisions in the 1970s young, shavers, norton III, frazier II, etc

- he dogded foreman in a rematch after getting lucky in the first fight because foreman fought the dumbest fight of all time.

- his 60s title reign is a joke it consists of....

*a shot cleveland williams, literally and figuratively

* a far past his prime zora folley

* bad back patterson whose back was so bad he couldnt even hunch over

* a fighter who went down from a punch which didnt land

* a 6'6 uncoordinated freak who is perhaps the most boring fighter of all time

* a canadian human punching bag

* a european fighter who is perhaps the worst challenger to ever get a title shot

* a british champion who cuts more easily than scissors


- he created the worst linear heavyweight champion of all time in leon spinx
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Its no fun if Butterfly isnt here to piss off.

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Old 04-12-2006, 12:37 PM #4
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SuzieQ is 100 percent correct. Ali was given too many gift decisions. Even his loss versus Spinks was a SD, even though Ali was battered all over the ring. Basically, half the people Ali fought made him look like a fool. Doug Jones was robbed. Banks and Cooper floored him, and as mentioned, Dundee cheated to save Ali from losing. Liston didn't even bother training for the first fight, and took a dive in the second. Ali then beats such amazing competition as Brian London and literally shot Big Cat Williams. Chuvalo, a human punching bag, made Ali piss blood for a week after the fight. He then sticks his thumb in Terrell's eye three times and taunts a blind fighter. He beats up on injured, way past prime Patterson, and was getting beaten up by 35 year old Zora Folley before he got a lucky shot in.

So, he comes back, gets lucky by cutting Quarry above the eye just as Quarry started to warm up. Bonavena's akward style made Ali look clueless. He then gets his ass handed to him by Frazier, and it looked like Ali barely won a single round the whole night, except maybe the 9th. By the 5th, Frazier was just laughing at this big bum Ali. Also, Frazier was blind in one eye, and just unloaded his left hook the whole time because he couldn't see where he was aiming his right. Ali then gets back on the right track by fighting legends such as Jurgen Blin, tomato can Chuvalo once again (Ali tends to beat up on guys he already wiped out before) and I think Patterson again, as well as a shot Buster Mathis. Ken Norton breaks his jaw and was nearly robbed, earning a split decision. He then gets robbed for real the second time around.

Ali then goes on to fight Frazier, who is more concerned in his music career than boxing by then. Frazier, even though he doesn't give two ****s about boxing anymore, gets robbed of a win. Ali manages to beat up on an overrated George Foreman, who looked like a drunk bum and also had a very padded record. George, with his feet stuck in the mud, struggled with every clever boxer put in front of him. Foreman, a free-swinging amateur, showed his pathetic excuse for stamina by tiring out after about 4 rounds. After winning the title, Ali gets knocked down by Chuck Wepner, who was absolute rubbish. No boxing skills at all. Ali then fights a decent but nothing special Ron Lyle, and was getting beat before the ref prematurely stopped the fight, saving Ali once again. Frazier then beats up on Ali once again in the Thrilla, but Frazier's corner wouldn't let him out. Ali then pads his record with more bums like Richard Dunn and Alfredo Evangelista. He even fights glass jawed Earnie Shavers, who lost to every good fighter he faced, and even some lesser fighters like Walter Santemore and Ron Stander.

On to Spinks. An amateur with 7 fights under his belt, he pounds Ali from pillar to post all night, and only gets a split. Spinks' career record is very pathetic, he even lost to a guy with a career record of 3-53-1. Ali retires, and comes back to get his butt whipped by Holmes and Berbick (another ham and egger).

And Ali gets called the greatest because he can run his mouth. Joe Louis would have dispatched of him in one round.
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SuzieQ is 100 percent correct. Ali was given too many gift decisions. Even his loss versus Spinks was a SD, even though Ali was battered all over the ring. Basically, half the people Ali fought made him look like a fool. Doug Jones was robbed. Banks and Cooper floored him, and as mentioned, Dundee cheated to save Ali from losing. Liston didn't even bother training for the first fight, and took a dive in the second. Ali then beats such amazing competition as Brian London and literally shot Big Cat Williams. Chuvalo, a human punching bag, made Ali piss blood for a week after the fight. He then sticks his thumb in Terrell's eye three times and taunts a blind fighter. He beats up on injured, way past prime Patterson, and was getting beaten up by 35 year old Zora Folley before he got a lucky shot in.

So, he comes back, gets lucky by cutting Quarry above the eye just as Quarry started to warm up. Bonavena's akward style made Ali look clueless. He then gets his ass handed to him by Frazier, and it looked like Ali barely won a single round the whole night, except maybe the 9th. By the 5th, Frazier was just laughing at this big bum Ali. Also, Frazier was blind in one eye, and just unloaded his left hook the whole time because he couldn't see where he was aiming his right. Ali then gets back on the right track by fighting legends such as Jurgen Blin, tomato can Chuvalo once again (Ali tends to beat up on guys he already wiped out before) and I think Patterson again, as well as a shot Buster Mathis. Ken Norton breaks his jaw and was nearly robbed, earning a split decision. He then gets robbed for real the second time around.

Ali then goes on to fight Frazier, who is more concerned in his music career than boxing by then. Frazier, even though he doesn't give two ****s about boxing anymore, gets robbed of a win. Ali manages to beat up on an overrated George Foreman, who looked like a drunk bum and also had a very padded record. George, with his feet stuck in the mud, struggled with every clever boxer put in front of him. Foreman, a free-swinging amateur, showed his pathetic excuse for stamina by tiring out after about 4 rounds. After winning the title, Ali gets knocked down by Chuck Wepner, who was absolute rubbish. No boxing skills at all. Ali then fights a decent but nothing special Ron Lyle, and was getting beat before the ref prematurely stopped the fight, saving Ali once again. Frazier then beats up on Ali once again in the Thrilla, but Frazier's corner wouldn't let him out. Ali then pads his record with more bums like Richard Dunn and Alfredo Evangelista. He even fights glass jawed Earnie Shavers, who lost to every good fighter he faced, and even some lesser fighters like Walter Santemore and Ron Stander.

On to Spinks. An amateur with 7 fights under his belt, he pounds Ali from pillar to post all night, and only gets a split. Spinks' career record is very pathetic, he even lost to a guy with a career record of 3-53-1. Ali retires, and comes back to get his butt whipped by Holmes and Berbick (another ham and egger).

And Ali gets called the greatest because he can run his mouth. Joe Louis would have dispatched of him in one round.
thres no way in hell fraizer won that second fight
foreman was a beast, and would have ko'd lewis early.
ali would beat louis, and yes, after 50 something fights filled with punishment, he began to slow down...it happens to all boxers
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now that butterfly is gone we can make "ali sux and ali is overated threads".


ali is overated cause


- he lost to a blown up light-H but got a gift decision

- he was nearly knocked out by a 183lb man with 1 punch but his trainer saved his ass

- he wanted to quit on his stool vs liston, but his trainer once again had to save his ass

- liston took a dive in both bouts, ali would never beat a prime liston


- ali lost all 3 fights to ken norton. the judges however gave ali gifts.


- the only matchup where ali-frazier fought closest to there prime, frazier won handily.

- he recieved several gift decisions in the 1970s young, shavers, norton III, frazier II, etc

- he dogded foreman in a rematch after getting lucky in the first fight because foreman fought the dumbest fight of all time.

- his 60s title reign is a joke it consists of....

*a shot cleveland williams, literally and figuratively

* a far past his prime zora folley

* bad back patterson whose back was so bad he couldnt even hunch over

* a fighter who went down from a punch which didnt land

* a 6'6 uncoordinated freak who is perhaps the most boring fighter of all time

* a canadian human punching bag

* a european fighter who is perhaps the worst challenger to ever get a title shot

* a british champion who cuts more easily than scissors


- he created the worst linear heavyweight champion of all time in leon spinx
the fraizer fight was a close one, idk what the hell your talking about, ali beat a prime liston, coming off the two best and biggest wins of his career. liston quit bc he never could have beaten ali and he knew it...oh, and why dont you put icy-hot in your eyes and see if you feel like taking punches for three minutes. then get back to me
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Old 04-12-2006, 12:49 PM #7
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the cold truth.

and people laughed when i made a thread about rjj vs. ali.
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Liston was nowhere near his prime in that fight. He was an OLD man in boxing years. Anyone who saw Liston in person said that he looked much, much, older than he claimed to be.
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blah blah blah......if the decisions didn't go to him, they would of just said that the other guy had a gift decision too and Ali was robbed. He is the champion, ofcourse he is going to get the benefit of the doubt
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