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Old 10-10-2013, 05:46 PM
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A controversial American biblical scholar is set to make his first appearance in London next week to present a discovery that he claims proves the story of Jesus Christ was invented as a system of mind control to enslave the poor.

Joseph Atwill, who is the author of a book entitled 'Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus', asserts that Christianity did not begin as a religion, but was actually a sophisticated government propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire.

At the 'Covert Messiah' conference, to be held at the Conway Hall in Holborn a week on Saturday, Mr Atwill will present his theory that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they entirely fabricated the story of Jesus Christ.

Outlining his ideas in a blog posting on his website Mr Atwill writes: "Christianity may be considered a religion, but it was actually developed and used as a system of mind control to produce slaves that believed God decreed their slavery."

Mr Atwill says that acts of insurrection by Jewish sects, who were awaiting the arrival of a so-called 'warrior Messiah' in Palestine, were a perpetual problem for the Roman Empire and that after the Empire had exhausted all traditional means of dealing with the problem they resorted to psychological warfare.

"They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system," Atwill told PRWeb.com

"That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented.

"Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."

Mr Atwill continues: "Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history.

To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East."

Elsewhere, Mr Atwill also writes: “In fact he [Jesus] may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there’s simply nothing left.”

Atwill says he made his discovery when while studying the New Testament alongside the 'War of the Jews' by Josephus - the only surviving first-person historical account of first-century Judea.

Mr Atwill claims that he began to notice a sequence of parallels between the two texts.

"What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of [Emperor] Titus Flavius as described by Josephus," Atwill claims.

"This is clear evidence of a deliberately constructed pattern", he continues.

"The biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar."

Richard Dawkins, the English evolutionary biologist and author, well known for his anti-religion views, yesterday tweeted a link to the press release advertising the event in London.

However, he later tweeted: "RT doesn't imply endorsement. I'm not qualified to judge Atwill's thesis. Just thought it might be worth a look."

Mr Atwill's theory is simply one of a number of what are known as Bible conspiracy theories.

These theories commonly include the suggestion that secret societies, mystery schools and other religions used the fictional story of Christ to unify the Roman Empire under one state religion.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...r-8870879.html
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Old 10-10-2013, 06:26 PM
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i didnt need a "biblical scholar" to tell me this.

plenty of religions older than christianity use the virgin birth savior story line.

Jesus christ was a bronze age remake.
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Old 10-11-2013, 03:37 PM
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I dislike when people do this. Religion helps hundreds of millions of people in their lives, what does this "scholar" do to help millions of people get through tough times and to give them hope? Alls he does is go around ranting his beliefs to get that intellectual superiority high just like all the other non-believers and religion bashers. Damn fool has no idea what he is doing in a deeper sense, he truly believes his view is wide but its actually so narrow.
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I dislike when people do this. Religion helps hundreds of millions of people in their lives, what does this "scholar" do to help millions of people get through tough times and to give them hope? Alls he does is go around ranting his beliefs to get that intellectual superiority high just like all the other non-believers and religion bashers. Damn fool has no idea what he is doing in a deeper sense, he truly believes his view is wide but its actually so narrow.
The same argument can be made the other way. Religion is responsible for millions if not billions of deaths in this worlds history.

Isn't the truth important? Isn't seeking what really happened more important than some false sense of comfort?

If this is true, it will be massive to some, but most believers will simply close their eyes and ears to this like a child does when he doesn't want to hear something.

Many scholars debate the existence of Jesus. Some point to the fact that there is very little written about him outside of the Bible.

If it is proven to be true though, it will have a domino effect on Islam as well. Since they believe in Jesus and that he was a prophet of god.
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and here i was hoping that jesus was caesarion all along. that woulda made a rad movie.
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I dislike when people do this. Religion helps hundreds of millions of people in their lives, what does this "scholar" do to help millions of people get through tough times and to give them hope? Alls he does is go around ranting his beliefs to get that intellectual superiority high just like all the other non-believers and religion bashers. Damn fool has no idea what he is doing in a deeper sense, he truly believes his view is wide but its actually so narrow.
ppffft.. was this meant sarcastically?
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The same argument can be made the other way. Religion is responsible for millions if not billions of deaths in this worlds history.

Isn't the truth important? Isn't seeking what really happened more important than some false sense of comfort?

If this is true, it will be massive to some, but most believers will simply close their eyes and ears to this like a child does when he doesn't want to hear something.

Many scholars debate the existence of Jesus. Some point to the fact that there is very little written about him outside of the Bible.

If it is proven to be true though, it will have a domino effect on Islam as well. Since they believe in Jesus and that he was a prophet of god.
I have a deep philisophical mind, i even thought of majoring in it when it first began when i was 18. I have seen things in my mind that have blocked any chance of me believing in any god even though i was raised catholic. I used to be like this guy, going around trying to discredit religion and laughing off religious beliefs. But then i saw things differently, i saw that I was doing nothing productive, alls i was doing was spreading negativity.

I can live my life without religion, but not every mind is the same. Ive seen people go through some real unfortunate things and all they had to hang on is their faith. People go through tough shiet and religion helps get them through it, thats all im saying. Lets say this guy gets his point across and religion becomes extinct, what does he gain from that? A "hey turns out you were right, congrats" and a parade? What good to this earth would this event bring? What you said is true, many bad things have on this planet at the hands of religious people, but many bad things have happened at the hands of non-religious people.
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I have a deep philisophical mind, i even thought of majoring in it when it first began when i was 18. I have seen things in my mind that have blocked any chance of me believing in any god even though i was raised catholic. I used to be like this guy, going around trying to discredit religion and laughing off religious beliefs. But then i saw things differently, i saw that I was doing nothing productive, alls i was doing was spreading negativity.

I can live my life without religion, but not every mind is the same. Ive seen people go through some real unfortunate things and all they had to hang on is their faith. People go through tough shiet and religion helps get them through it, thats all im saying. Lets say this guy gets his point across and religion becomes extinct, what does he gain from that? A "hey turns out you were right, congrats" and a parade? What good to this earth would this event bring? What you said is true, many bad things have on this planet at the hands of religious people, but many bad things have happened at the hands of non-religious people.
For claiming to have this deep philosophical mind I think you miss the bigger issue and don't have much faith in humans.

Religion isn't essential to human existence or for the well being of humans. Because it's something that is used as comfort, doesn't mean it the ONLY thing that can give people comfort.

We have each other, we have love, compassion, the arts and many other philosophies that can help in any problem you have in life. Religion is not for the weak, it's just that it's been the dominant force for morality, charity, compassion etc...

Those things won't go away if religion goes away though. I think the opposite will happen to be honest. We will realize that this is all we have, so we need to turn to each other, not some fantasy that makes us feel better.

Thousands of religions have come and gone, and we are still doing fine. Humanistic ideals, progressive and secular morals have elevated themselves above any religious teachings in the best countries in the world.

There will be a day where religion is extinct, I truly believe that.
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The moral decrees stated by religious texts are, I think, pretty much common sense decency for most people. Not everybody needs a text book to know right from wrong, and how to treat other people.

What I do think most Abrahamic religions represent are mans general fear of the unknown after the lights fade out from our lives.

What happens after?

Does anything happen after?

It's like going on the deepest, darkest sleep, but never waking up to know that you just had your deepest, darkest sleep.
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