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Old 05-26-2013, 03:46 PM
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Tim Duncan is great but I don't think there's anyway in hell that he's a top 5 player of all time. Players I would rank ahead of Duncan:
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Even ranking McHale or Robertson ahead of Duncan is reasonable imo. Where was Tim the last couple of years? He didn't do sh1t the last couple of seasons. Where was he when the Thunder spanked the Spurs in 4 straight last year?

mchale and dream were unstoppable in the paint with their vast array of post moves.

duncan was getting shut down by a past prime karl malone. the same karl malone who in his prime was getting destroyed by olajuwon.
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Tim Duncan is great but I don't think there's anyway in hell that he's a top 5 player of all time. Players I would rank ahead of Duncan:
Jordan
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Magic
Bird
Chamberlin
Olajuwon
Kobe

Even ranking McHale or Robertson ahead of Duncan is reasonable imo. Where was Tim the last couple of years? He didn't do sh1t the last couple of seasons. Where was he when the Thunder spanked the Spurs in 4 straight last year?
C'mon now , u are better than that..u had me going til this ..
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C'mon now , u are better than that..u had me going til this ..
McHale was a hell of a player. I don't argue with anyone who says that Tim was better. The guys I listed are the guys who are no doubt better than Tim in my mind
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McHale was a hell of a player. I don't argue with anyone who says that Tim was better. The guys I listed are the guys who are no doubt better than Tim in my mind
I know mchale was a beast , But U said u wouldn't have a problem having him ranked ahead of Duncan ..
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Old 05-26-2013, 05:16 PM
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Duncan is not better than hakeem. stop that nonsense right now.

If your reasoning is he was the man on more championship teams then russell would be greater than him. he wasnt even the "man" in their last title, it was tony parker.

Duncan is a great player no doubt but his success is due more to the fact that he played his entire career with basically a hall of fame coach, hall of fame front office and franchise, and always had hall of fame teammates.

If the spurs didnt purposely sit a healthy robinson and shamelessly tanked and duncan was instead selected by the sixers or the celtics he wouldnt be as great as he is today. he certainy wouldnt have the resume in terms of winning.

Duncan my have the better resume than hakeem and kobe but he certainly wasnt better than them as a singular individual player/talent.

not even close.
He didn't have anything close to a Hall of Fame teammate when he dragged the Spurs to a title in 2003, and he was absolutely the man when they beat the Cavs for his fourth title. Parker won Finals MVP, but he was not better than Duncan that season or those playoffs.

Yeah, players win multiple championships in good systems with other great players. So what? That applies to everyone. It doesn't change how incredible Duncan has been throughout his entire career. The Spurs never won anything without him, they didn't become great until he showed up. No matter where Duncan went, he was going to be great.

Duncan's longevity is absolutely insane. Only Kareem compares. Duncan has the stats, he has the rings, he has the team and singular accomplishments, he has the memorable performances, he has the impact both offensively and defensively, and he's done it consistently for 16 seasons. He deserves so much more respect than he gets in ATG conversations.
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I know mchale was a beast , But U said u wouldn't have a problem having him ranked ahead of Duncan ..
Where do u rank Duncan and McHale?
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He didn't have anything close to a Hall of Fame teammate when he dragged the Spurs to a title in 2003, and he was absolutely the man when they beat the Cavs for his fourth title. Parker won Finals MVP, but he was not better than Duncan that season or those playoffs.

Yeah, players win multiple championships in good systems with other great players. So what? That applies to everyone. It doesn't change how incredible Duncan has been throughout his entire career. The Spurs never won anything without him, they didn't become great until he showed up. No matter where Duncan went, he was going to be great.

Duncan's longevity is absolutely insane. Only Kareem compares. Duncan has the stats, he has the rings, he has the team and singular accomplishments, he has the memorable performances, he has the impact both offensively and defensively, and he's done it consistently for 16 seasons. He deserves so much more respect than he gets in ATG conversations.
Explain how Duncan has demonstrated better longevity than Kobe. Kobe has been in the league for seventeen years since he was 17 years old. Kobe is STILL a top 10 player in the league, can you say the same for Duncan?
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Old 05-26-2013, 05:48 PM
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He didn't have anything close to a Hall of Fame teammate when he dragged the Spurs to a title in 2003, and he was absolutely the man when they beat the Cavs for his fourth title. Parker won Finals MVP, but he was not better than Duncan that season or those playoffs.

Yeah, players win multiple championships in good systems with other great players. So what? That applies to everyone. It doesn't change how incredible Duncan has been throughout his entire career. The Spurs never won anything without him, they didn't become great until he showed up. No matter where Duncan went, he was going to be great.

Duncan's longevity is absolutely insane. Only Kareem compares. Duncan has the stats, he has the rings, he has the team and singular accomplishments, he has the memorable performances, he has the impact both offensively and defensively, and he's done it consistently for 16 seasons. He deserves so much more respect than he gets in ATG conversations.
2003? vs the mighty new jersey nets?

2003 spurs team that had 4 hall of famers in duncan, david robinson, tony parker, and manu ginobili?

lmfaaoo at dragging a team with 3 other hall of famers.

Duncan is great and most likely will have a better resume but he is not better than hakeem or kobe as a individual/singular talent.

None of his championship teams ever repeated either and he played in an absolutely weak era of big men and during the beginning stages of the stern pussification era of no hand check offensively inclined nba.

He wouldnt have 4 championships if he wasnt drafted by the spurs and if he played in the glory years of big men in the 80s and early 90s against hakeem, shaq, ewing, robinson, barkley, malone, mcchale, mutombo etc...
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