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#21
Old 03-04-2013, 01:28 PM
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Manny Pacquiao

won 54 (KO 38) + lost 5 (KO 3) + drawn 2 = 61
rounds boxed 371 KO% 62.3

Juan Manuel Marquez

won 55 (KO 40) + lost 6 (KO 0) + drawn 1 = 62
rounds boxed 462 KO% 64.52
the opposition they have faced is worlds apart....

cant compare ko ratios really...
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:32 PM
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Yes theres definately somethng not quite right. The wind of Pacs punches used to be enough to drop JMM, but after nearly being 40, Pac has to almost nail him to the floor.
That speaks more about Pacquiao than it does Marquez. Are you implying that Pacquiao was on PEDs?
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:33 PM
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Quick question is Barrera a pact@rd now??
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:35 PM
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the opposition they have faced is worlds apart....

cant compare ko ratios really...
Ok, please explain how (with facts, not opinions).
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:39 PM
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I wish Barrera used his fcking head.

Look at the fight

Was marquez slow? Yes

Was he sluggish? Yes

were his reactions garbage? Pretty much (look at the beating he took before ko)

the reason for that was because he bulked up, he did that and then landed his perfect punch, he paid the price for gaining his power, he lost a lot of his speed and reactions for it and it paid off...simple as that

People needed to do this earlier to pac...his weakness is his defense, he is arguably the best offensive fighter ever, but in terms of his defense...even a slow ass hatton landed clean on him. Use that, take the punishment in hope of landing a big shot because you will have the chance to do it with him
Someone could make that argument and they would be horrendously wrong. The best offense in the world would not leave you in a position to get molly whopped, it would place the fighter in a position to land more bombs. You want an example of someone who arguably had the best offense in the world then look at someone like Mike Tyson.
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:44 PM
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the opposition they have faced is worlds apart....

cant compare ko ratios really...
gtfo. Im guessing youre going to mention Pac juices run at WW against fighters who were ghosts of their former selves
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:45 PM
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PAC didnt fight hatton 3 times nor did he fought cotto, marg 3 times and wasnt able to KO them then all sudden Knocks them out cold in the 4th meeting. Yea nothing to be suspicious right... And before u say I'm using double standards, let me make it clear this post is not about defending PAC and is not about accusing marquez of cheating.

Team PAC didnt ask for extra testing so that's on them. I'm only replying to point out that PAC didnt fight those guys u mention 3 times before knocking them out in the 4th so that double standard stunt ur tryna pull here doesn't work that way.
so one can move up in weight and destroy bigger guys and no suspicion and hell be a legend but if the other moves up an destroys this one guy then he can be accused but other cant? Got it! No double standard there.
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:59 PM
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so one can move up in weight and destroy bigger guys and no suspicion and hell be a legend but if the other moves up an destroys this one guy then he can be accused but other cant? Got it! No double standard there.
But I thought u guys said those bigger guys were over the hill and drained, that's why PAC looked so good. So which one is it? lol. U cant piggy back like that lol. And again did PAC fight those bigger guys 3 times and wasnt able to drop or hurt any of them then in the 4th fight PAC kos them? Did that happen??
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:01 PM
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Marquez knocked out Katsidis, Díaz, Casamayor... He always had power, I don't know how people keep saying that he suddenly gained super powers.

Marquez trained a lot more for strength this time. His lost speed and agility, you can see Marquez in Marquez vs Pac 3 where he was lighter, faster, with better reflexes, trusting in his ability to outbox Pacquiao. After realizing that he was never going to get a decision, he gained a few pounds, trained a lot more for power and strength and lost speed, you can clearly see that in Marquez vs Pacquiao 4.
Those fights were 1 year apart but you can clearly see that Marquez has completely different characteristics. He didn't get so old in one year, it's just that his training changed completely and now he got enough power to take out Pacquiao.

BTW Marquez already hurt Pacquiao before, in his first and 2nd fight Pacquiao was stunned by Marquez's power, he was actually a little bit lucky to stay on his feet.
In their 3rd fight Pacquiao was more used to the weight and Marquez wanted to take advantage of his speed with a lower weight, that's why Marquez couldn't hurt Pacquiao in Marquez vs Pacquiao 3.
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:05 PM
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But I thought u guys said those bigger guys were over the hill and drained, that's why PAC looked so good. So which one is it? lol. U cant piggy back like that lol. And again did PAC fight those bigger guys 3 times and wasnt able to drop or hurt any of them then in the 4th fight PAC kos them? Did that happen??
Living on the 3 huh? Blinded. SMH!
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