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Old 02-27-2013, 02:26 AM
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No unless Bellator can somehow but most likely impossibly take the reigns from the UFC. Since the UFC is in direct control pretty much their will never be one. Even the MMA awards are a joke. They even counted Dan Henderson vs Shogun as fight of the year 2012 when it happened in November 2011. It wasn't like Paul Williams vs Sergio Martinez 1 which happened a week or 2 before the new year. And the awards are all ufc biased anyway. MMAjunkie usually wins website of the year because they kiss ufc ass.


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Bellator is the most dirty mma org out there right now.

And besides, what does the UFC have to do with an MMA hall of fame anyway?

what does it matter if UFC is the biggest org. how is that preventing an mma hall of fame from being made?
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Old 02-27-2013, 02:45 AM
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Bellator is the most dirty mma org out there right now. And besides, what does the UFC have to do with an MMA hall of fame anyway? what does it matter if UFC is the biggest org. how is that preventing an mma hall of fame from being made?
Because the UFC bought out and owns the rights to Pride and strikeforce. The UFC would provably sue anybody who tried.

And don't even say they aren't capable of this as they been extreme before banning affliction, even rampage couldn't wear addidas for his last fight because of them. If anybody could do it its the UFC but they won't because they won't put fedor in and you can't have a hall of fame without fedor and only because he wasn't a ufc fighter
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Old 02-27-2013, 03:02 AM
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Because the UFC bought out and owns the rights to Pride and strikeforce. The UFC would provably sue anybody who tried.

And don't even say they aren't capable of this as they been extreme before banning affliction, even rampage couldn't wear addidas for his last fight because of them. If anybody could do it its the UFC but they won't because they won't put fedor in and you can't have a hall of fame without fedor and only because he wasn't a ufc fighter
oh plz UFC isn't that extreme. If someone wanted to make an mma hof the UFC would fully support it. they would have nothing to lose.

and the UFC banned rampage from wearing adidas because they're not a licensed sponser of the UFC. Its the same with every pro sports organization. You gotta pay a license before being allowed to advertise. UFC puts a lot of money behind promoting each fight and they are the reason most ppl are watching so that's why they get to do these licensing deals. But they don't take commission off of what the sponsors pay the fighters.
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Old 02-27-2013, 03:22 AM
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Because the UFC bought out and owns the rights to Pride and strikeforce. The UFC would provably sue anybody who tried.

And don't even say they aren't capable of this as they been extreme before banning affliction, even rampage couldn't wear addidas for his last fight because of them. If anybody could do it its the UFC but they won't because they won't put fedor in and you can't have a hall of fame without fedor and only because he wasn't a ufc fighter
Whether they are capable or not, why would the UFC do that? Considering that most inductees will have competed and some even have been top fighters in the UFC, wouldn't it benefit them to support a hall of fame? It would give them more exposure and recognition. Hell, if there were another Hall of Fame, Dana White and The Fertitas might even get inducted themselves as the guys that bought and made the UFC profitable and a major player in MMA. Seems like it would hurt more than help them to prevent such a thing. Why not have an actual building people can visit and see displays for guys like Royce, Shamrocks, Fedor, Anderson Silva, Hughes, etc., maybe even Helio Gracie. It's not like the owners can induct themselves into their own hall of fame.
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Old 02-27-2013, 04:45 AM
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Bellator is going to topple Zuffa.

Mark my words.

This isn't even a judgement call with respect to what I want to happen. The writing is simply on the wall.

A company like Viacom does not throw money into something, unless they think it is a sure bet. Zuffa's ratings and buy rates have been down. Bellator has made some very big moves recently.

Station Casinos and the Fertitta family trusts are simply not on the same level as a giant corporation such as Viacom, which now owns a controlling stake in Bellator.

Of course, nobody has a crystal ball, but I see this as a very real potential scenario.

I know, a couple years ago I would be called nuts for saying this, but the landscape has changed.
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Old 02-27-2013, 01:20 PM
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Bellator is going to topple Zuffa.

Mark my words.

This isn't even a judgement call with respect to what I want to happen. The writing is simply on the wall.

A company like Viacom does not throw money into something, unless they think it is a sure bet. Zuffa's ratings and buy rates have been down. Bellator has made some very big moves recently.

Station Casinos and the Fertitta family trusts are simply not on the same level as a giant corporation such as Viacom, which now owns a controlling stake in Bellator.

Of course, nobody has a crystal ball, but I see this as a very real potential scenario.

I know, a couple years ago I would be called nuts for saying this, but the landscape has changed.
That's what I thought when Viacom first bought Bellator but it doesn't seem like they are all in on Bellator. Or maybe Viacom is just that stingy. Cuz UFC has had a lot of top guys become free agents and Viacom didn't try to make a grab at them. With their money they could have easily out bid the UFC on a lot of fighters.

On top of that they have their fighters in a dirty one way contract where they pretty much get to control the fighters destiny even when the contract expires. But even with that they are playing slimeball ie: Eddie Alvarez. Trying to ruin his career.

But nevertheless I find it highly ironic and hypocritical that you hate UFC for their 'so called' dirty tactics yet Bellator is the dirtiest of them all and you support them. interesting....

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Old 02-27-2013, 06:19 PM
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That's what I thought when Viacom first bought Bellator but it doesn't seem like they are all in on Bellator. Or maybe Viacom is just that stingy. Cuz UFC has had a lot of top guys become free agents and Viacom didn't try to make a grab at them. With their money they could have easily out bid the UFC on a lot of fighters.

On top of that they have their fighters in a dirty one way contract where they pretty much get to control the fighters destiny even when the contract expires. But even with that they are playing slimeball ie: Eddie Alvarez. Trying to ruin his career.

But nevertheless I find it highly ironic and hypocritical that you hate UFC for their 'so called' dirty tactics yet Bellator is the dirtiest of them all and you support them. interesting....
I don't agree that Bellator is really that dirty.

Also, I think they were within their legal rights, with respect to the Eddie Alvarez situation.

I don't necessarily like the sort of contracts which involve matching rights, and what not, but they are sort of standard. Just look at boxing.

And, I don't see how Bellator is trying to ruin Alvarez's career. It isn't anything comparable to what Zuffa does, with respect to blackballing fighters, and spouting off with a tremendous amount of propaganda anti to a fighter, when they don't get to have their way with them. Look at Fedor. Look at the Randy Coutur situation presently. Look at the situation which erupted with AKA when they refused to sign away the rights of their fighters for the UFC video game (initially; they then relented). Look at Golden Glory.

Need I go on?

There is no comparison. Bellator is nowhere near as dirty as Zuffa.

But, you will be hard pressed to find me promoting a prize fighting promoter, or a monopolistic corporation like Viacom, for that matter.

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Old 02-27-2013, 07:12 PM
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I don't agree that Bellator is really that dirty.

Also, I think they were within their legal rights, with respect to the Eddie Alvarez situation.

I don't necessarily like the sort of contracts which involve matching rights, and what not, but they are sort of standard. Just look at boxing.

And, I don't see how Bellator is trying to ruin Alvarez's career. It isn't anything comparable to what Zuffa does, with respect to blackballing fighters, and spouting off with a tremendous amount of propaganda anti to a fighter, when they don't get to have their way with them. Look at Fedor. Look at the Randy Coutur situation presently. Look at the situation which erupted with ATT when they refused to sign away the rights of their fighters for the UFC video game (initially; they then relented). Look at Golden Glory.

Need I go on?

There is no comparison. Bellator is nowhere near as dirty as Zuffa.

But, you will be hard pressed to find me promoting a prize fighting promoter, or a monopolistic corporation like Viacom, for that matter.
dude you are clearly HEAVILY BIASED for Bellator and nitpicking stuff on UFC.

Bellator is clearly screwing over Eddie Alvarez its not even up for debate. Every time something about this story leaks it makes Bellator look worse and worse.

And yes the worst thing that UFC does is rant about guys who didn't sign deals with them and **** like that but IMO most of those times the UFC is right even if they don't handle it professionally. Just look at Hector Lombard who made $700,000 in his debut fight. Imagine how much more they probably offered Fedor. UFC has every right to feel insulted if someone turns that down.

you cannot compare those 2 organizations in their tactics. Bellator is clearly the much dirtier organization.
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dude you are clearly HEAVILY BIASED for Bellator and nitpicking stuff on UFC.

Bellator is clearly screwing over Eddie Alvarez its not even up for debate. Every time something about this story leaks it makes Bellator look worse and worse.

And yes the worst thing that UFC does is rant about guys who didn't sign deals with them and **** like that but IMO most of those times the UFC is right even if they don't handle it professionally. Just look at Hector Lombard who made $700,000 in his debut fight. Imagine how much more they probably offered Fedor. UFC has every right to feel insulted if someone turns that down.

you cannot compare those 2 organizations in their tactics. Bellator is clearly the much dirtier organization.
Your ignorance and bias has no bounds.

And yet, you then turn around and call me bias, for giving some reasoned opinions.

Keep drinking the cool aide. I already said my piece, if you are too ignorant and too incapable to interpret an opposing view on the grounds of its points and its merits, that is not my problem.

You are incapable of a reasonable discussion or debate, anyway.

And, everything you said is complete nonsense, just for the record. I could refute it point-by-point, but I have no interest in expending the time or effort doing so would require. That isn't a cop out, either. It is just a recognition of the futility of engaging with a person like you in such an endeavor.
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:44 PM
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Also, Alvarez is not even thinking for himself.

Contracts are legally binding documents.

I said that I don't like, necessarily, the matching rights clauses.

UFC contracts are much worse though, and that is well known.

And here is Fedor on the UFC situation.

You do realize that fighters are human beings, and are not commodities? You also do realize that a contract is a legally binding business agreement, which requires two sides to formalize? And based on this latter point, you do realize that it takes two parties to make a deal? And that if a deal is not reached, that it is because the terms negotiated are deemed unacceptable by one, or both, parties privy to the negotiations?

Yeah, of course you don't. You only care about what makes you feel fuzzy inside. Apparently, Dana White is one such thing (I say 'thing' because he's just a media persona, as we all know him).

Here's that Fedor video, where he explains some of the reasons the contract was unacceptable.


For good measure, here's the video where Eddie Alvarez admits that he doesn't even know what is in the contracts.
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