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Old 02-24-2013, 11:57 PM #101
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both of these guys are frauds. they won't even fight the best in their own division. it boggles the mind how they can still be highly ranked. in any other legitimate sport if you don't test yourself against the best next season/year etc...you aren't the best anymore! only in boxing can you become the best and remain the best by fighting second rate opponents. so if the ravens only play the browns, jets, and jaguars next season they are still the best team in the league? uh no, if they don't play the best they forfeit their title. why is it not the same in boxing? at the next olympics if michael phelps refuses to race against the best and only races against hand picked opponents is he still the best? uh no. only in boxing.
Floyd has fought and beat two #1 ranked WWs. What other WWs the past 5 years have done that?
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Old 02-25-2013, 12:02 AM #102
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there's a big difference between beating the 8th best guy or the 2nd, or the 8th best team as opposed to the 2nd in any league. there's such a thing as forfeiting in sports. if you refuse to play or face a challenger you lose. this is why golovking jumps ahead of everyone else because they don't want none. maybe he's not that good but they forfeited their position. if the ravens didn't show up to play the super bowl they lose! they don't retain their title by playing a completely different crappier team.

cotto was sh-it at 154. fought nobody. guerrero ain't sh-it at 147. berto and a razor close fight vs aydin? pac, margarito, and cotto had ten times that resume and floyd didn't want none. like i said you can just cherry pick over and over and stay at the top by waiting for guys to fade and cherry picking guys like guerrero and ortiz. stop rewarding these frauds with your respect. i respect carl froch and of course cesar rene cuena!
Right....Golovkin, the guy that beats up on career JMW's moving up in weight? Chavez jr would break Golovkin down and KO him, Barker outboxes him Macklin likely beats him as well.
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Floyd beats Martinez, but the reason he won't fight him is: excuse #1-1000.
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Sergio is an old man, he shouldn't be going up or down in weight. Fighting the best in your own division comes first
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Floyd has fought and beat two #1 ranked WWs. What other WWs the past 5 years have done that?
Who are these two and ask yourself a few questions about them ....?

Rankings?

The WBC rankings for Amir Khan: Ranked #2 at 147

Amir Khan was expected to be Floyd's next opponent but Danny Garcia changed all that. So if Floyd fought Amir Khan, Floyd fans would be bringing up that Khan was ranked #2. You say, no they wouldn't stoop that low? Well, you know that they keep on bringing up that Marquez was #2 P4P even though he had just moved up from 130 to 135lb division.
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Who are these two and ask yourself a few questions about them ....?

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The WBC rankings for Amir Khan: Ranked #2 at 147

Amir Khan was expected to be Floyd's next opponent but Danny Garcia changed all that. So if Floyd fought Amir Khan, Floyd fans would be bringing up that Khan was ranked #2. You say, no they wouldn't stoop that low? Well, you know that they keep on bringing up that Marquez was #2 P4P even though he had just moved up from 130 to 135lb division.
Hey I don't make the rankings Im just stating the facts. And to my knowledge Jmm wasn't ranked at #2 P4P until he knocked out Diaz and Casamayor at 135lbs.
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Hey I don't make the rankings Im just stating the facts. And to my knowledge Jmm wasn't ranked at #2 P4P until he knocked out Diaz and Casamayor at 135lbs.
That is the point.

Facts are that Khan is ranked #2 at 147 by them. So if Floyd fights him will you be ready to jump on Floyd's bandwagon and say "Floyd is right, Khan is #2 ranked 147lbs. He fought a legit WW opponent" ???

Before you answer it, keep in mind that there are Floyd fans that were on Floyd's side from day 1 when he said "...but Marquez is #2 P4P".
Floyd skipped the part about Marquez just moved up from 130 to 135lbs. Maybe you were defending that?
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That is the point.

Facts are that Khan is ranked #2 at 147 by them. So if Floyd fights him will you be ready to jump on Floyd's bandwagon and say "Floyd is right, Khan is #2 ranked 147lbs. He fought a legit WW opponent" ???

Before you answer it, keep in mind that there are Floyd fans that were on Floyd's side from day 1 when he said "...but Marquez is #2 P4P".
Floyd skipped the part about Marquez just moved up from 130 to 135lbs. Maybe you were defending that?
Marquez didnt just move up, he had 2 fights and knocked out 2 guys that had never been KO'ed. This is no different than Pac having one fight at 135 then moving up to fight Oscar.
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martinez has fought at 154 before. he's never tested the waters at 168.


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Mayweather-Martinez is a lot of hot air, a completely unrealistic fight. Floyd is too small to even be competing at 154. He isn't going to fight a damn middleweight after seeing what happened to Cotto when he fought a real 154lber.

You guys are being ridiculous.
The reason id like to see Floyd vs Sergio, is because Floyd hasnt taken on a reeal challenge in many years.

Floyd vs Sergio would be a pick'em fight. Very exciting.

Either Sergio is a real MW, and moving down will drain him. = Good for Floyd?

Or Sergio is a small MW, and the fight is reasonable.

I dont see why people are so against the fight.

Against Cotto Floyd still won almost every round. It was tough, but who is to say Sergio wont be drained?
I think Floyds fans are simply scared of Floyd losing.
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