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Old 02-18-2013, 02:11 AM
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If he didn't want USADA to come after him then then he shouldn't have cheated to make weight. Simple as that.
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Old 02-18-2013, 02:59 AM
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It's true that the mexican soccer players were not punished by the WADA because they realized Mexico has a problem with clenbuterol-contaminated meat :

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/...players_195167



Doesn't mean Morales is innocent but he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Terms of punishment? Sure? Public opinion? Nah he's not getting the benefit of the doubt from me, it comes down to what I think is more likely:

1) A fighter who failed to make weight in his previous fight eating contaminated beef.

or

2) A fighter who failed to make weight in his previous fights taking drugs that would enable him to slim down.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:39 AM
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Terms of punishment? Sure? Public opinion? Nah he's not getting the benefit of the doubt from me, it comes down to what I think is more likely:

1) A fighter who failed to make weight in his previous fight eating contaminated beef.

or

2) A fighter who failed to make weight in his previous fights taking drugs that would enable him to slim down
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and why would you be so against it? why show such moral indignation for someone trying to do his job?

He's trying to slim down so he can get a last pay check from a brutal career.

Is that so bad? Seriously, in the grand scheme of things, how bad is that?

Its ok to take drugs in other aspects of life to improve your condition whatever it maybe, but somehow if its taken in sports, it becomes some abhorrent evil act?
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:08 AM
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and why would you be so against it? why show such moral indignation for someone trying to do his job?

He's trying to slim down so he can get a last pay check from a brutal career.

Is that so bad? Seriously, in the grand scheme of things, how bad is that?

Its ok to take drugs in other aspects of life to improve your condition whatever it maybe, but somehow if its taken in sports, it becomes some abhorrent evil act?
It is cheating/against the rules and displays a lack of integrity that now makes me question the rest of his career. If he couldn't get down to 140lb the clean way he shouldn't have fought there.

If he needs the pay check so badly then he should have gotten his ass whipped by Canelo at 154lb. He'd get a beating, he'd get humiliated but at least he wouldn't leave the sport a cheat.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:10 AM
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It's true that the mexican soccer players were not punished by the WADA because they realized Mexico has a problem with clenbuterol-contaminated meat :

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/...players_195167



Doesn't mean Morales is innocent but he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
This was over 3-4 years ago, the stupid excuse of meat is fried out.. Morales was a cheat period!
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:12 AM
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Usada has no authority to ban anyone in boxing
They don't have any 'authority' in any sport as such, it's up to the governing bodies to support their recommendations. Refusing to do so is tantamount to giving the go-ahead to dopers.


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Its ok to take drugs in other aspects of life to improve your condition whatever it maybe, but somehow if its taken in sports, it becomes some abhorrent evil act?
It's against the rules, and the rules are there for a reason. It's ok in other aspects of life to improve the tools at your disposal for example, but it's not ok to remove padding from your gloves so you can hit your opponent harder.

You can seek any advantage you want within the rules, but if you go outside the rules you get punished. That's the basis of competition and the basis of organised sport. Anything else is chaos. If Morales are anyone else thinks the rules are wrong, then let him lead a movement to change them.
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Old 02-18-2013, 06:58 AM
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It is cheating/against the rules and displays a lack of integrity that now makes me question the rest of his career. If he couldn't get down to 140lb the clean way he shouldn't have fought there.

If he needs the pay check so badly then he should have gotten his ass whipped by Canelo at 154lb. He'd get a beating, he'd get humiliated but at least he wouldn't leave the sport a cheat.


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They don't have any 'authority' in any sport as such, it's up to the governing bodies to support their recommendations. Refusing to do so is tantamount to giving the go-ahead to dopers.




It's against the rules, and the rules are there for a reason. It's ok in other aspects of life to improve the tools at your disposal for example, but it's not ok to remove padding from your gloves so you can hit your opponent harder.

You can seek any advantage you want within the rules, but if you go outside the rules you get punished. That's the basis of competition and the basis of organised sport. Anything else is chaos. If Morales are anyone else thinks the rules are wrong, then let him lead a movement to change them.


Its a bad and arbitrary rule.

each sporting body allows certain drugs, but not others. athletes are given a list of drugs that are ok to take and not ok to take. pros in all sports all use drugs. these governing bodies are just banning drugs left and right without any medical justification whatsoever yet they allow certain drugs.

why is it ok to take drugs to improve performance be it in the bedroom, health, curing a disease, cosmetics, but somehow when athletes use it (some drugs are ok tho according to people who have no medical backing) it becomes an evil act?

i just dont get it. Why demonize athletes for wanting to improve their performance with products made by the ingenuity man?

You say its a law?

Well, it used to be against the law to drink alcohol and let black people use the same facilities as white people.

There are good laws and there are bad laws.

You guys have been programmed by the mass media to hate on athletes who use peds being used as unwitting pawns in a fight against the natural evolution of man;

SCIENCE AND MEDICINE.

"HE USED A DRUG TO IMPROVE HIS PERFORMANCE!?!?!?!?! KILL HIM!!!!"

Ridiculous.

If you guys want to see athletes who dont take drugs i suggest you stop watching professional sports across the board.
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Old 02-18-2013, 08:31 AM
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Its a bad and arbitrary rule.

each sporting body allows certain drugs, but not others. athletes are given a list of drugs that are ok to take and not ok to take. pros in all sports all use drugs. these governing bodies are just banning drugs left and right without any medical justification whatsoever yet they allow certain drugs.

why is it ok to take drugs to improve performance be it in the bedroom, health, curing a disease, cosmetics, but somehow when athletes use it (some drugs are ok tho according to people who have no medical backing) it becomes an evil act?

i just dont get it. Why demonize athletes for wanting to improve their performance with products made by the ingenuity man?

You say its a law?

Well, it used to be against the law to drink alcohol and let black people use the same facilities as white people.

There are good laws and there are bad laws.

You guys have been programmed by the mass media to hate on athletes who use peds being used as unwitting pawns in a fight against the natural evolution of man;

SCIENCE AND MEDICINE.

"HE USED A DRUG TO IMPROVE HIS PERFORMANCE!?!?!?!?! KILL HIM!!!!"

Ridiculous.

If you guys want to see athletes who dont take drugs i suggest you stop watching professional sports across the board.
Because of the disproportionate effect PEDs have compared to any other artificial element.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:55 AM
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Morales lost respect for boxing by using illegal drugs....retired is the only option!! you have to have respect for USADA they just keeping the sport clean
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:30 AM
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Its a bad and arbitrary rule.
But it is the rule that is in place.

If Erik doesn't like it he is certainly free to try to have it changed. But he can't just ignore the rule because it displeases him. Not without repercussions.
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