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Old 02-13-2013, 06:33 AM
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Fair enough. For arguments sake, if a creator does exist, this would constitute as evidence of the methods of creation, no?
No I wouldn't say so because if he was an all powerful creator he could just make it all random and unique. Who's to say he'd want order and structure?

The laws of the Universe (a lot of the time) work in the simplest way possible, which probably lends itself to a natural manifestation. Everything that nature does is done nicely and the easiest and most efficient way possible.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:19 AM
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Well, there's a reason why there's intelligent life on only one planet.
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Proof of gods' existance.....coincidence? I think not


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Gravity, electro magnetism, speed of expansion of the universe make it amazing to the result of galaxies etc... forming. If the speed was too fast, then perhaps atoms wouldn't come together. if too slow, a theory is that the universe would not only stop expanding but fall back and turn into a black hole of some sort? or electromagnetism, which helps produce carbon. carbon is what is supposedly the form of life.


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Old 02-13-2013, 08:10 AM
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Fair enough. For arguments sake, if a creator does exist, this would constitute as evidence of the methods of creation, no?
No, that's the point. I don't know if there is a god or not. I don't believe in one because there's no real evidence of one. At the same time, if you are going to approach it from the scientific point of view, you can't make a leap and say that because some of the universe is organized, that is evidence for a creator.

There's many more parts of the universe that are not organized. They are being destroyed as we speak. Planets falling from oribit, stars dying and being born in violent explosions. Entire galaxies colliding with each other.

We are also not perfectly designed, far from it. If there was a god, why would he have the same tube we breath from, the one we eat from? Makes no sense, it's the reason people choke to death every day. Or the way the eye is designed, where the lens has to reflect the image backwards.

We aren't perfect, neither is the universe. Not everything is organized, or perfectly designed. That argument for a creator falls very short to say the least.
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There's many more parts of the universe that are not organized. They are being destroyed as we speak. Planets falling from oribit, stars dying and being born in violent explosions. Entire galaxies colliding with each other.
And yet data suggests that it all fits into a greater design, sacred geometry. By this, data suggesting the entire universe is a fractal, its hard to argue there is no orginization to the universe. Im not sure why anything you said here speaks to an imperfect universe.

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We are also not perfectly designed, far from it. If there was a god, why would he have the same tube we breath from, the one we eat from? Makes no sense, it's the reason people choke to death every day. Or the way the eye is designed, where the lens has to reflect the image backwards.
We see perfectly fine, no? And perhaps death wasnt a part of a designers initial creation?

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We aren't perfect, neither is the universe. Not everything is organized, or perfectly designed. That argument for a creator falls very short to say the least.
And by what standard do you compare perfection to?
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Not compared to birds of prey. Or to octopods. Our eyes are a complete mess, and requires constant manipulation by our brains to create a model of the world we can survive in.
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A tiresome effort just to see correctly huh?
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A tiresome effort just to see correctly huh?
Certainly an indication of atrocious design, if design is what you're arguing for.
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