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View Poll Results: Could Pacquiao beat Cotto, Marg, and Oscar without the catch-weights?
Yes, all of them 22 52.38%
No, none of them 9 21.43%
Just Margartio 3 7.14%
Just Cotto 1 2.38%
Just Oscar 1 2.38%
He could have beat 2 out of the 3. 6 14.29%
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:06 AM #21
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Wrong, Pacquiao was always the bigger guy, he was just able to boil himself down to the weight. Look at his fight night weight vs Barrera in their first fight, he was the bigger man. That's why he was so shredded, he's like Broner now.
They dont want to know Manny was ALWAYS the bigger man in his 130 fights , they ignore stuff like that .
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He fought Miguel Cotto a single year after moving up from featherweight. It took him 5 years to move from featherweight to lightweight alone.

You don't think size could have been an issue?

That's like saying Andre Ward's win over Dawson has no value, because Chad went down in weight. At least Pacquiao went up, rather than making Cotto go down an entire weight class.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:08 AM #23
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Wrong, Pacquiao was always the bigger guy, he was just able to boil himself down to the weight. Look at his fight night weight vs Barrera in their first fight, he was the bigger man. That's why he was so shredded, he's like Broner now.
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Don't bother with Reloaded bro, he's known as the "slow" kid around here.
You cant keep up kid , I know more about weight in boxing that you will know in your lifetime .
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Pac's fans see as like he fought a prime Oscar that day....Oscar did it for the money!..lol........
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:14 AM #25
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Buddy dont give the moving up from LW BS , at 130 he was stepping in the ring at 143-147 , Floyd made the same jump fighting Oscar at 154 and Oscar was full power , lots of LWs will go to WW . it was Oscars fault to think he could make 147 which he had not done for many years , he struggled with Forbes at 150 lol , he needed IV fluids to gain 2 pounds and you say its a valuable win , madness .

Its not about no value its about winning while the other guy was handicapped , if any sport demands equal terms is one on one combat , so the value of the win must reflect that , but to fanboys the win is everything even if its tainted by one being weakened .
So by your logic, Ward and Martinez have no value in their wins over Dawson and Chavez Jr. Juan Manuel Marquez also, by no means, won Pacquiao vs. Marquez III. If Floyd were to beat Sergio Martinez, that also would have no value.

Catchweights exist for a reason: to make these fights happen. As cliche as it sounds - don't hate the player, hate the game. Rant about catchweights, or rant about all fighters who participate in fights which involve moving down weights. Don't start a witch hunt on a single fighter with weights as an excuse.

Have the balls to simply say you dislike the guy.
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So by your logic, Ward and Martinez have no value in their wins over Dawson and Chavez Jr. Juan Manuel Marquez also, by no means, won Pacquiao vs. Marquez III. If Floyd were to beat Sergio Martinez, that also would have no value.

Catchweights exist for a reason: to make these fights happen. As cliche as it sounds - don't hate the player, hate the game. Rant about catchweights, or rant about all fighters who participate in fights which involve moving down weights. Don't start a witch hunt on a single fighter with weights as an excuse.

Have the balls to simply say you dislike the guy.
I will give you a tip buddy when it comes to weight you cannot compare one guy to another , everybody makes weight different , some can lose and gain a lot some cant , what one fighter does has NO bearing on what happens to another fighter making the same weights , your talking like a fan with no understanding of a draine fighter , go into a gym and talk to a trainer or conditioning coach and get their take of what happens when your drawn too light in top competition .
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Wrong, Pacquiao was always the bigger guy, he was just able to boil himself down to the weight. Look at his fight night weight vs Barrera in their first fight, he was the bigger man. That's why he was so shredded, he's like Broner now.
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They dont want to know Manny was ALWAYS the bigger man in his 130 fights , they ignore stuff like that .

Pac having a 8 weight division titles doesn't ring the bell to you? LMAO when you used the Barrera first fight. Remember Pac was fighting at 122 and moved up to fight Barrera at 126 then from 126 he fought all the way up to 150. Only the deluded floydiots think Pac is the always the bigger guy. No wonder he fought Oscar, Cotto and Margarito at catchweight because he was the bigger guy. Typical floydiots pea size brains. You better go and rob some convenience store in your area.

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People put too much emphasis on contracted weight. Nobody was forced into any of those fights (perhaps encouraged) At least in Cotto's case where he had to come in a whole 1 pound less than he did in his previous fight 5 months earlier. So Cotto didn't even have time to put much weight on in between fights, he pretty much went from the Clottey fight right into the Pac fight.
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him and Roach obviously didnt think so
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