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Old 01-16-2013, 03:06 PM
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i think this "criminals buy legal guns through third parties" thing a bit exagerrated.

of course it happens.

but keep in mind black market guns are sold CHEAPER than legal guns. hard to make money off that.

biggest cause of legally bought guns getting into criminal hands is theft.
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:27 PM
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i think this "criminals buy legal guns through third parties" thing a bit exagerrated.

of course it happens.

but keep in mind black market guns are sold CHEAPER than legal guns. hard to make money off that.

biggest cause of legally bought guns getting into criminal hands is theft.
It's a fact that is the way they get most of their guns.

Here's a piece done by Frontline on PBS that did a study on it. It's called "Straw Sales", people buy guns and sell them person to person and there's nothing that can be done about it.

I recently bought a Glock 23 from a guy I knew for about 1 month at the gym. He didn't ask me if I was legal, a criminal or had mental health issues. I asked him how is that legal to do and he said in the state of Florida, you can sell to whoever you want no questions asked.

If I commit a crime with that gun, he is not responsible at all.

Here's an excerpt from the piece done and there's many more links, especially in Chicago where gun violence is the worst. Using Chicago FOR the gun debate is absurd, it supports the people who want stricter gun laws.

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In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ocon/guns.html
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:20 PM
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List of executive actions Obama plans to take as part of anti-gun violence plan

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.*

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.*

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

*4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

*5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.*

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.*

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.*

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

*9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.*

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

*11. Nominate an ATF director.*

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

*13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.*

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.*

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

*16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.*

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.*

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.*

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.*

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.*

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

*22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.*

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
So as long as you are a mentally stable law abiding citizen your gun rights are intact... unless there is something in there i missed?
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So as long as you are a mentally stable law abiding citizen your gun rights are intact... unless there is something in there i missed?
Nope, the socialist, communist, muslim, and terrorist Obama wants to take all of your guns, don't you know this?
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Nope, the socialist, communist, muslim, and terrorist Obama wants to take all of your guns, don't you know this?
don't you own a Glock?
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don't you own a Glock?
Yes, Glock 23

This very one:

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Yes, Glock 23

This very one:

beautiful looking piece may I add, I believe you live in Florida right?
do you carry?
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beautiful looking piece may I add, I believe you live in Florida right?
do you carry?
No I don't carry because like I said, I don't like guns. I know it sounds hypocritical but I would prefer to live in a world without them but because we have so many cowboys running around and criminals with them, I only keep it in my home to protect my family and myself.

It's a great gun, powerful and durable. Bought it from a guy at the gym.
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No I don't carry because like I said, I don't like guns. I know it sounds hypocritical but I would prefer to live in a world without them but because we have so many cowboys running around and criminals with them, I only keep it in my home to protect my family and myself.

It's a great gun, powerful and durable. Bought it from a guy at the gym.
don't you think this ^^^ is one reason you should carry


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I own a 22gen 4
its a GLOCK you can't go wrong with one
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There were 411 murders in Detroit this past year. Do me a favor and guess how many of those murders were committed by registered gun owners.

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How many of those murders were committed with guns stolen from registered gun owners? I'll wait....
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