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Old 01-15-2013, 12:22 PM
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Why focus on the new stuff about Marquez when we can focus on the DRAMATIC change of Pacquaio from 2009-11? Armstrong is one thing, but Paquaio has raised so many questions about his physical attributes...who would be surprised of he came out years later saying that him and Ariza were cheating?
what physical changes did pac go through from 2009-2011? pac didn't look all that impressive either in 2011...
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:24 PM
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I would be very suspicious if he were to do something like refuse a drug test.

He is open to drug testing so perhaps he will have stricter testing in his next fight.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:25 PM
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i have much more doubts about how pacquiao went from 30-47 in less than one year without gaining an ounce of fat than i do marquez.
there's nothing suspicious about pac moving up from super featherweight to welterweight and here's why....in the 2nd marquez fight pac weighed 145lbs on fight night and against oscar de la hoya pac weighed 147lbs on fight night..so you're talking 2 extra pounds from when he was fighting as a super featherweight. so how is that suspicious? OMG 2 poudns someone call the cops!!!

edit: pac was actually 148 1/2 lbs on fight night...still nothing drastic.

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Old 01-15-2013, 12:27 PM
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I would be very suspicious if he were to do something like refuse a drug test.

He is open to drug testing so perhaps he will have stricter testing in his next fight.
so the fact that he hired a known ped dealer/guru/chemist that has boasted about making 20 undetectable peds in the past and about being in love with chemistry and helping athletes cheat doesn't make you highly suspicious of marquez?? of course you'd be willing to do the fake olympic style tests if you have a ped guru like heredia working for you who is able to make undetectable peds..
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:31 PM
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so the fact that he hired a known ped dealer/guru/chemist that has boasted about making 20 undetectable peds in the past and about being in love with chemistry and helping athletes cheat doesn't make you highly suspicious of marquez?? of course you'd be willing to do the fake olympic style tests if you have a ped guru like heredia working for you who is able to make undetectable peds..
I'd be more suspicious if he refused a stricter drug test, yes.

But yeah, with his trainer's past, questions can still be raised.

The fact Marquez is open to any drug testing (Allegedly) is a good sign though.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:34 PM
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I'd be more suspicious if he refused a stricter drug test, yes.

But yeah, with his trainer's past, questions can still be raised.

The fact Marquez is open to any drug testing (Allegedly) is a good sign though.
i still don't think it means much when you have a ped guru by your side.....

plus heredia specifically said in a USA Today article that anyone who plans on using his services must submit to all year round testing...so if marquez isn't retiring this year then what's the hold up? unless he stopped working with heredia....
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:35 PM
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i still don't think it means much when you have a ped guru by your side.....
Even with a PED Guru in your team it's still a huge risk to take stricter testing. They're not that easy to avoid, this day and age.

If Marquez was on something I don't see him taking that risk so willingly.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:37 PM
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this topic is pointless, floyd fans will say "well pacquiao is more suspicious to me", marquez fans will say "they were both on or neither were on it and argue for marquez being clean"

pointless topic, the only ones that i think can catch the likes or marquez and heredia are vada, conte knows his sht, catching his own fighters and lol @heredia "i wanna see you protocol before agreeing", man shouldn't be concerning himself with that, leave it to marquez, they are incredibly suspicious, but it's just a shtty opinion until we get some facts

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so the fact that he hired a known ped dealer/guru/chemist that has boasted about making 20 undetectable peds in the past and about being in love with chemistry and helping athletes cheat doesn't make you highly suspicious of marquez?? of course you'd be willing to do the fake olympic style tests if you have a ped guru like heredia working for you who is able to make undetectable peds..
why are you so suspicious of memo and not ariza? ariza worked for him and swears by him.
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Even with a PED Guru in your team it's still a huge risk to take stricter testing. They're not that easy to avoid, this day and age.

If Marquez was on something I don't see him taking that risk so willingly.
heredia and conte did origindal "year-round" testing, and it was a cake walk for them, never had a positive, note it is alot more difficult than a 2 month "OST"

if that's wht ur thinkin floyd boy
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