Bookmark Website  | Free Registration  | The Team
Boxing Champions |  Boxing Schedule |  Boxing Video  |  Boxing History   |  Pound For Pound  | Lounge  | The Wire |  Audio  | Arcade

Navigation
Go Back   Boxing Forum > Boxing Forums > Non Stop Boxing
View Poll Results: Should knock downs count towards your chin ratings.
Yes 28 52.83%
No- only if you get knocked out as well 25 47.17%
Voters: 53. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
Thread Navigation

#21
Old 01-31-2013, 05:30 AM
thuggery
proper rock slanga'
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: browsing WSHH
Posts: 10,763
Rep Power: 54 thuggery has a reputation beyond repute thuggery has a reputation beyond repute thuggery has a reputation beyond repute thuggery has a reputation beyond repute thuggery has a reputation beyond repute thuggery has a reputation beyond repute thuggery has a reputation beyond repute thuggery has a reputation beyond repute thuggery has a reputation beyond repute thuggery has a reputation beyond repute thuggery has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 18,132,000,354,744.99
Bank: 9,251,906,948,164,232.00
Total Points: 9,270,038,948,518,976.00
Thanks.  Let see if this works. - sdcluser  Thankyou for your compliment. - Rockin'  love & peace - Lotus Flower  Pacquiao vs Marquez IV! - Check_hooks  No Message - FkDaHtrs 
No Message - FkDaHtrs  Haha thanks!  Here is a badass looking fish! - UglyPug  Thanks man! - WARQUEZ  Have a whopper!!!!! - E.P.T.  one of boxingscene's best - Freedom. 
A legendary poster in the making. - WARQUEZ  4 some good luck coming your way - Rockin'  destroying bandwagoners - .:: JSFD26 ::.  already greened you, but props on posting that quote dissing c/w's - chiguy91  welcome back bro........ - bigsmoothh 
For a Toe to Toe poster! - LoadedWraps  Good job! - Weltschmerz  A brewski for a cool vato - hectari  Merry Christmas - Freedom2013  i learned from the best, like you - Kuyukut 
Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - thuggery  Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - thuggery  Adoptee - Bone Cancer - Child Exploitation and Abuse - Hope and Support - Peace - Retinoblastoma - Right to Life - Student Sexual Assault - thuggery  Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - thuggery  Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - thuggery 
Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - thuggery  Adoptee - Bone Cancer - Child Exploitation and Abuse - Hope and Support - Peace - Retinoblastoma - Right to Life - Student Sexual Assault - thuggery  Adoptee - Bone Cancer - Child Exploitation and Abuse - Hope and Support - Peace - Retinoblastoma - Right to Life - Student Sexual Assault - thuggery  Adoptee - Bone Cancer - Child Exploitation and Abuse - Hope and Support - Peace - Retinoblastoma - Right to Life - Student Sexual Assault - thuggery  Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - thuggery 
Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - thuggery  Adoptee - Bone Cancer - Child Exploitation and Abuse - Hope and Support - Peace - Retinoblastoma - Right to Life - Student Sexual Assault - thuggery  Adoptee - Bone Cancer - Child Exploitation and Abuse - Hope and Support - Peace - Retinoblastoma - Right to Life - Student Sexual Assault - thuggery  Adoptee - Bone Cancer - Child Exploitation and Abuse - Hope and Support - Peace - Retinoblastoma - Right to Life - Student Sexual Assault - thuggery  Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - thuggery 
Adoptee - Bone Cancer - Child Exploitation and Abuse - Hope and Support - Peace - Retinoblastoma - Right to Life - Student Sexual Assault - thuggery  Adoptee - Bone Cancer - Child Exploitation and Abuse - Hope and Support - Peace - Retinoblastoma - Right to Life - Student Sexual Assault - thuggery  Adoptee - Bone Cancer - Child Exploitation and Abuse - Hope and Support - Peace - Retinoblastoma - Right to Life - Student Sexual Assault - thuggery  Adoptee - Bone Cancer - Child Exploitation and Abuse - Hope and Support - Peace - Retinoblastoma - Right to Life - Student Sexual Assault - thuggery  Adoptee - Bone Cancer - Child Exploitation and Abuse - Hope and Support - Peace - Retinoblastoma - Right to Life - Student Sexual Assault - thuggery 
Default

Depends, for instance when Cotto scored a flash KD on Clottey I didn't consider Clottey to have a glass chin, it just happened.
Reply With Quote
thuggery is offline
Advertisements
>>>TO REMOVE THESE ADS, PLEASE REGISTER HERE FOR FREE<<<
#22
Old 01-31-2013, 05:30 AM
tenPt
User Title
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 29,082
Rep Power: 21543 tenPt has a reputation beyond repute tenPt has a reputation beyond repute tenPt has a reputation beyond repute tenPt has a reputation beyond repute tenPt has a reputation beyond repute tenPt has a reputation beyond repute tenPt has a reputation beyond repute tenPt has a reputation beyond repute tenPt has a reputation beyond repute tenPt has a reputation beyond repute tenPt has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 8,312.08
Bank: 22,821,125,680,407,957,504.00
Total Points: 22,821,125,680,407,965,696.00
Thanks bud.. - !! AI-Holmes!!  Merry Christmas! - led  these are great - jazluvr  Treasure for BScene vet! - jazluvr  Have a beer with me.. - !! AI-Holmes!! 
And some popcorn too.. - !! AI-Holmes!!  The icon says it all - jazluvr 
Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - jazluvr  Bone Marrow Donation - Childhood Depression - Depression - Environment - Eye Injury Prevention - Glaucoma - Kidney Cancer - Kidney Disease - Kidney Transplantation - Leukemia - Lyme Disease - Mental Retardation - Missing Children - Organ Donation - T - jazluvr  Anti-Tobacco - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - jazluvr 
Default

Fighters that get knocked down alot usually end up getting knocked out.
Floyd Patterson, Amir Khan, Roger Mayweather, Wladimir etc
it is usually a sign.
Reply With Quote
tenPt is offline
#23
Old 01-31-2013, 08:39 AM
odogg8121
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,561
Rep Power: 0 odogg8121 is infamous around these parts odogg8121 is infamous around these parts odogg8121 is infamous around these parts odogg8121 is infamous around these parts odogg8121 is infamous around these parts odogg8121 is infamous around these parts odogg8121 is infamous around these parts odogg8121 is infamous around these parts odogg8121 is infamous around these parts odogg8121 is infamous around these parts odogg8121 is infamous around these parts
Points: 37,286.81
Bank: 2,925,310,949.51
Total Points: 2,925,348,236.32
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aztec Wanker View Post
IMO, they do if you get hurt. Some KDs can be a result of bad balance/flash kds and dont necessarily mean a fighter has a bad chin.
This^^^^^^
Reply With Quote
odogg8121 is offline
#24
Old 01-31-2013, 08:44 AM
ThePunchingBag
Rolling with the punches.
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 5,817
Rep Power: 18 ThePunchingBag has a reputation beyond repute ThePunchingBag has a reputation beyond repute ThePunchingBag has a reputation beyond repute ThePunchingBag has a reputation beyond repute ThePunchingBag has a reputation beyond repute ThePunchingBag has a reputation beyond repute ThePunchingBag has a reputation beyond repute ThePunchingBag has a reputation beyond repute ThePunchingBag has a reputation beyond repute ThePunchingBag has a reputation beyond repute ThePunchingBag has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 2,100,000,314,779.92
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 2,100,000,314,779.92
Be Joyful - Gift Giver 
Default

Yes they do.

Marquez doesn't have a great chin, but his ability to recover from a KD is amazing.

Watch Pac-Marquez series, Marquez vs Babybull, Marquez vs Katsidis.

Babybull and Katsidis are not known for their punching power, but they managed to make Marquez hit the canvas.

Amir Khan has a glass chin. If he gets badly hurt or goes down at any point in the fight he's not coming back.

It's not just about chin though. A lot of it is mental fortitude.

And before you bring up Pacquaio, Pac has a GREAT chin. It's just that ANYBODY can get KO'd from a great punch they didn't see.

Last edited by ThePunchingBag; 01-31-2013 at 08:47 AM.
Reply With Quote
ThePunchingBag is offline
#25
Old 01-31-2013, 08:48 AM
IMDAZED
Fair but Firm
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 35,923
Rep Power: 99 IMDAZED has a reputation beyond repute IMDAZED has a reputation beyond repute IMDAZED has a reputation beyond repute IMDAZED has a reputation beyond repute IMDAZED has a reputation beyond repute IMDAZED has a reputation beyond repute IMDAZED has a reputation beyond repute IMDAZED has a reputation beyond repute IMDAZED has a reputation beyond repute IMDAZED has a reputation beyond repute IMDAZED has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,000,002,002,065,594,496.00
Bank: 2,957,405,255,210,206.00
Total Points: 1,002,959,407,320,804,736.00
for knowing your stuff! - natas206  thanks for the info. - TRUTH  For that homerun of a post, bud. - Sweet Pea 50  An apple for one of BoxingScene's most knowledgeable posters - danc1984  BOOM - Fiend 
Excellent poster - ADDICT  MOH. For continously educating NSB. - BattlingNelson  been a while mate! - Tamis_Siensya  No Message - WESS  To a poster I have a lot of respect for. Cheers, bud. - Mike D 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skittlez View Post
Flash KD'S probably shouldn't count towards chin.

but JMM was hurt a lot of times he was dropped. so saying that it's all flash kds in regards to him is false.


SERGIO and TITO have a lot of flash kd's that being sad.. Sergio was seriously hurt against Jr. and Tito looked to be hurt against Vargas..
Tito was fine against Vargas. The talk of him being hurt and having to throw a low blow to recover is one of the more ridiculous theories that still gets floated around. He got tagged, dropped, rose and was ready to go. Legs weren't off or anything. I'd say he was more hurt by Obar Carr and the one time I saw Tito hurt prior to Hopkins was against Alberto Cortes, I believe, who had him wobbled and down in the first or second.
Reply With Quote
IMDAZED is online now
#26
Old 01-31-2013, 09:30 AM
figzuki
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Florida
Posts: 2,253
Rep Power: 9 figzuki has a reputation beyond repute figzuki has a reputation beyond repute figzuki has a reputation beyond repute figzuki has a reputation beyond repute figzuki has a reputation beyond repute figzuki has a reputation beyond repute figzuki has a reputation beyond repute figzuki has a reputation beyond repute figzuki has a reputation beyond repute figzuki has a reputation beyond repute figzuki has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 14,707.94
Bank: 78,658,138,378.56
Total Points: 78,658,153,086.50
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuauhtémoc1520 View Post
No, because many times getting knocked down means you just were caught off balance and has nothing to do with your ability to take a shot.

Trinidad got knocked down most of the time that way.
This.

They count even less when the guy gets knockdown, gets up and fights better than before to eventually knock the other guy out.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Russian Crushin View Post
How about a guy like JMM, he's been KD many times while really hurt

Its not as black and white as most make it out to be
JMM is another example, been knocked down MANY times and recovers, and fights on like nothing ever happened. I think the last time his lights were completely out for a split second, was the left hook from Katsidis.
Reply With Quote
figzuki is offline
#27
Old 01-31-2013, 09:42 AM
yoz
Yoz
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 7,863
Rep Power: 44 yoz has a reputation beyond repute yoz has a reputation beyond repute yoz has a reputation beyond repute yoz has a reputation beyond repute yoz has a reputation beyond repute yoz has a reputation beyond repute yoz has a reputation beyond repute yoz has a reputation beyond repute yoz has a reputation beyond repute yoz has a reputation beyond repute yoz has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 18,547.21
Bank: 1,191,554,140,087,382,016.00
Total Points: 1,191,554,140,087,400,448.00
Mayweather vs Cotto: Predictor Champion. - Barnburner  ye old good poster egg - Earl Hickey  Thank you - codey  For quick payment - FkDaHtrs  For quick payment - FkDaHtrs 
Happy Christmas amigo - chav  Good and objective poster! - Simurgh  To put on when you suck the mods' collective cocks! - Arsene Knows  Yoz...cool like the other side of the pillow - JAB5239  Merry Christmas &amp; Happy New Year - Freedom2013 
Merry Christmas! =] Thanks for the green k too! =] - Tyler_Durden  little cunt put me on ignore, lol. - Weltschmerz  pretend it's lennox you queer - Weltschmerz  kick this faqqot - Weltschmerz  thanks man - ROSS CALIFORNIA 
Thanks for the tip...lol - jazluvr  smear this in your ugly face and suck a fat c0ck, slut - Rammstein  spastic cunt!!! - -Weltschmerz-  Happy Holidays and All The Best in 2015 - Freedom. 
Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - FkDaHtrs  Bone Marrow Donation - Childhood Depression - Depression - Environment - Eye Injury Prevention - Glaucoma - Kidney Cancer - Kidney Disease - Kidney Transplantation - Leukemia - Lyme Disease - Mental Retardation - Missing Children - Organ Donation - T - FkDaHtrs  Childhood Cancer - FkDaHtrs  Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - FkDaHtrs 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skittlez View Post
I hear some people say 'oh JMM and Tito' are fine, because when they get knocked down, they get up.

I disagree.. They do get up, but that still means their chins are not that good. Not glass obviously, but I say average.

The Bottom Line is

IF YOU GET KNOCKED DOWN THAT = -1 Point towards your overall chin ratings in my opinion.


It doesn't matter even if you never get knocked out... if you get knocked down like 40 times... you have a weak chin. You just got good recovery power..
What about flash kds?
Reply With Quote
yoz is offline
#28
Old 01-31-2013, 10:10 AM
Frank Ducketts
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: All over
Posts: 10,054
Rep Power: 0 Frank Ducketts has a reputation beyond repute Frank Ducketts has a reputation beyond repute Frank Ducketts has a reputation beyond repute Frank Ducketts has a reputation beyond repute Frank Ducketts has a reputation beyond repute Frank Ducketts has a reputation beyond repute Frank Ducketts has a reputation beyond repute Frank Ducketts has a reputation beyond repute Frank Ducketts has a reputation beyond repute Frank Ducketts has a reputation beyond repute Frank Ducketts has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 110,010,381,065.43
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 110,010,381,065.43
One of the best posters here - Cállate!  I noticed that the lady in your avatar has dirty knees, they are very distracting. Here's some wet wipes, please take care of that. - Cállate!  No Message - RossCA  No Message - RossCA  No Message - RossCA 
:lol1: :D - happyman  Team Swift!(Honorary Member) - Mr. Philadel  Will Hunting, It's not your fault, It's not your fault - Croyd  It's not your fault, It truly isn't your fault ... - Croyd 
Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - RossCA 
Default

Boxers think so much different than fans. Juan Marquez is proof of this. He's been put down, but never out. Are you going to tell me that Marquez has an average chin considering who he's been hit by and who has put him down. He's taken punches from Pac, Norwood, Juarez, Barrera, Diaz, and Katsidis.
Reply With Quote
Frank Ducketts is offline
#29
Old 01-31-2013, 10:21 AM
kebark
Contender
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 257
Rep Power: 5 kebark will become famous soon enough kebark will become famous soon enough
Points: 17,470.35
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 17,470.35
Default

Balance, chin, the shot that landed and numerous other things need to be considered. Likewise a fighter that never goes down may never go down because they have a great chin (McCall) or because they are defensively amazing.
Reply With Quote
kebark is offline
#30
Old 01-31-2013, 12:53 PM
B-Bomber
Interim Champion
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 867
Rep Power: 4 B-Bomber has a reputation beyond repute B-Bomber has a reputation beyond repute B-Bomber has a reputation beyond repute B-Bomber has a reputation beyond repute B-Bomber has a reputation beyond repute B-Bomber has a reputation beyond repute B-Bomber has a reputation beyond repute B-Bomber has a reputation beyond repute B-Bomber has a reputation beyond repute B-Bomber has a reputation beyond repute B-Bomber has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 8,466.97
Bank: 129,881.63
Total Points: 138,348.60
Default

It also depends on who is knocking down who.

Frazier, for instance, hit the canvas numerous times against Foreman.

Still, I wouldn't call his chin weak.

Of course there are also Kd's caused by a lack of balance more than a lack of chin. Some by lack of ring IQ. It really depends.
Reply With Quote
B-Bomber is offline
Reply

Share This With Friends

Tags
chin , count , debate. , downs , kd's , knock , ratings?

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Privacy Policy - Submit News - Feedback - Site Map - Advertise with Us

Copyright © 2003-2014 BoxingScene LLC All rights reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:57 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.