Post your top 20 p4p all time

[BigStereotype]

One of these threads comes along once and a while so I figure I'll post my list. These are hard to do, if I'm missing anyone obvious just let me know and I'll look into him.

1. Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Muhammad Ali (I'm anticipating flack for that)
4. Sam Langford
5. Henry Armstrong
6. Roberto Duran
7. Ezzard Charles
8. Carlos Monzon
9. Bob Fitzsimmons
10. Willie Pep
11. Joe Gans
12. Joe Louis
13. Marvin Hagler
14. Gene Tunney
15. Pernell Whitaker
16. Ray Leonard
17. Archie Moore
18. Carlos Ortiz
19. Thomas Hearns
20. Benny Leonard

[IronDanHamza]

If you're anticipating flack for having Ali at #3 you're in for a shock with having Benny Leonard as low as #20.

[Prince_Pugilist]

Ali below Greb? I don't think so. Of all the footage I've seen of countless boxers over the years, only Robinson outboxes him. Ali had heart too and amazing stamina. His run at heavyweight was the best we've ever seen and probably the best we will ever see.

[dan_cov]

Originally Posted by Prince_Pugilist

Ali below Greb? I don't think so. Of all the footage I've seen of countless boxers over the years, only Robinson outboxes him. Ali had heart too and amazing stamina. His run at heavyweight was the best we've ever seen and probably the best we will ever see.

Robinson outboxes Ali?

[SBleeder]

Originally Posted by Prince_Pugilist

Ali below Greb? I don't think so. Of all the footage I've seen of countless boxers over the years, only Robinson outboxes him. Ali had heart too and amazing stamina. His run at heavyweight was the best we've ever seen and probably the best we will ever see.

How can you write off Greb if you've never seen him?


My list:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Joe Gans
4. Harry Greb
5. Muhammad Ali
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Willie Pep
8. Sam Langford
9. Benny Leonard
10. Joe Louis
11. Archie Moore
12. Roberto Duran
13. Carlos Monzon
14. Eder Jofre
15. Pernell Whitaker
16. Jimmy Wilde
17. Sugar Ray Leonard
18. Tony Canzoneri
19. Bob Fitzsimmons
20. Ricardo Lopez (Yes, Ricarco Lopez.)

[jabsRstiff]

Originally Posted by SBleeder

How can you write off Greb if you've never seen him?


My list:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Joe Gans
4. Harry Greb
5. Muhammad Ali
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Willie Pep
8. Sam Langford
9. Benny Leonard
10. Joe Louis
11. Archie Moore
12. Roberto Duran
13. Carlos Monzon
14. Eder Jofre
15. Pernell Whitaker
16. Jimmy Wilde
17. Sugar Ray Leonard
18. Tony Canzoneri
19. Bob Fitzsimmons
20. Ricardo Lopez (Yes, Ricarco Lopez.)

SBleeder.....You don't subscribe to the belief that in order to be a great fighter one must have beaten other great fighters?

[SBleeder]

Originally Posted by jabsRstiff

SBleeder.....You don't subscribe to the belief that in order to be a great fighter one must have beaten other great fighters?

Well, this is supposed to be a p4p list, not a "greatness" list. I do believe that greatness must be earned by doing great things, although in some fighters' cases, their ability and skill is enough to qualify them as "great".


Roberto Duran is undeniably an ATG (a legend at that)... yet he only holds one win over an ATG in his entire career.

[jabsRstiff]

Originally Posted by SBleeder

Well, this is supposed to be a p4p list, not a "greatness" list. I do believe that greatness must be earned by doing great things, although in some fighters' cases, their ability and skill is enough to qualify them as "great".

Not sure what that first sentence means.....but I agree with the rest of your post.

[Sugarj]

Originally Posted by SBleeder

Well, this is supposed to be a p4p list, not a "greatness" list. I do believe that greatness must be earned by doing great things, although in some fighters' cases, their ability and skill is enough to qualify them as "great".

Why no Roy Jones Jnr then?

[coghaugen]

#1 Joe Gans
#2 James Toney
#3 Floyd Mayweather
#4 Sam Langford
#5 Ray Robinson
#6 Roberto Duran
#7 Carlos Monzon
#8 Marvin Hagler
#9 Willie Pep
#10 Joe Louis