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Old 01-01-2013, 03:58 PM
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He is get and did win in spectacular fashion, but it seems he even knows that if there is a 5th fight, he had a lot to lose. He can make a lot of money but likely will get TKO'd. Manny solved JMM finally, and was on his way to winning until a lucky punch that would knock anyone out.
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Old 01-01-2013, 04:50 PM
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WTF? This is the worst case of denial I have ever seen on this message board. You are actually trying to convince us that Pacquaio would have won the fight if he had not gotten KTFO before he had a chance to completely solve JMM? There was nothing lucky about that punch. Marquez had landed it numerous times in the fight, including on the first knockdown and would have continued to land it until throughout the fight if Pac hadn't been knocked silly. Pac was getting his shots in, but the result would have been inevitable whether it occurred in the 5th or the 10th round.
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The first knock down was NOT the same as the KO. Different scenario.

Secondly, how can you tell someone that he is completely wrong in saying that Manny was headed for victory yet say it was inevitable that Marquez was going to KO Manny even if it didn't happen in that 6th round?

Remember that except for the KO punch, Manny was able to avoid or move away from the punch just enough so that it didn't affect Manny. The difference with the 6th was a combination of things. First off, when Manny tries to punch Marquez he stumbled, missed his punch and that contributed in having Manny not able to move away nor react properly to what was coming back from Marquez. Plus the stumble contributed in Manny completely missing his punch thus Marquez was able to come back with a punch that was much harder. For this type of scenario to happen once is hard enough but to expect it to happen twice is nearly impossible. Again, like we all saw in round 5 for example, it was the exact same scenario except for the fact that Manny wasn't caught stumbling and reacted just enough so his body would take the punch well.

Not even going to say that it couldn't happen later in the fight but to say that a KO was inevitable and Manny winning was not is just not an accurate statement. Manny had Marquez in trouble too but Marquez was just able to finish off Manny before Manny could have finished off Marquez.

Anything could have happened but the momentum was moving in Manny's favor up until the KO.

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Old 01-02-2013, 12:45 PM
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If the Boxing public wants a rematch, let them fuking rematch. No matter who the fans think will win doesn't take away the drama. As long as both fighters can be competative and yes, Pac was competative in all the fights, let them have a final fight. If it brings attention to boxing, good for Boxing. Lucky punches, perfect punches, walking in to punches, PEDS, drinking piss, lack of focus, whatever the arguments....the fight still sells. I think Pac earned that KO punch by walking in without regards to defence which was disrespectful to JMM and he got paid for the bull rush big time. Science beat aggression.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:51 PM
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But the problem is both guys have taken some serious punishment and if JMM retires, some of the Pac fans will claim JMM was afraid to lose a rematch which is not true. JMM cannot go on forever and yes Pac has taken a toll on him as well as other wars he has been in and may not want to go through hell again. That is his choice. Sounds like he wants 2 more fights and is battling his wife over it. It is tough to chose between all of a sudden turning the Boxing world upside down and commanding HUGE money or retiring on top and sparing more wear and tear. Either way, JMM has got to be a top 5 PFP ATG Mexican fighter. They dont come along that often. He is up there with JCC, Sanchez, Zarate.
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