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View Poll Results: In YOUR OPINION did JMM juice or not?
In MY OPINION JMM did juice to beat Pac 22 26.19%
In MY OPINION JMM did NOT juice to beat Pac 51 60.71%
Mayweather still sux donkeydeek 11 13.10%
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Old 12-29-2012, 09:39 AM
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i dont think it could be more obvious unless there was hard proof(positive test, admittance)
because there is a substantial amount of evidence, people will often just go "look at him, he's as ripped as ever, roids?" or
"his s&c coach is a former ped supplier, roids?" or "he seems to take punches better now, roids?" or "he punches harder, roids?" etc

but marquez meets all the conditions i can think of
i remember reed making a topic about marquez' new found traps, like james toney had when he was roiding, it is usually a good indicator of being on steroids

you can't give any reason why someone should not be highly suspicious of marquez

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Old 12-29-2012, 09:59 AM
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Bottom line...

If you think Marquez was on PEDs and never thought Pacquiao was....with all the circumstantial evidence and ties THERE....you are an absolutely worthless excuse for a Boxing fan.
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:01 AM
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Bottom line...

If you think Marquez was on PEDs and never thought Pacquiao was....with all the circumstantial evidence and ties THERE....you are an absolutely worthless excuse for a Boxing fan.
what's ths substantial evidence on pacquiao?
he said no to floyds testing, that it?
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:05 AM
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and there's one for ya....acting oblivious...lol

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Old 12-29-2012, 10:06 AM
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I beleive there are alot of fighters out there using PEDS, and Pac is one of them. This reminds me of MLB, alot of people including myself doubted Canseco when he came out and said that there were a ton of MLB players juicing or using peds. Then the Mitchell report came out..and people were like wow..
Now i dont think Pac used anything when he was at the lower weight classes, or for his last fight with JMM and Bradly..but his fights with DLH,Hatton,Cotto,Margarito, and the other fights with JMM I believe he was on something..because he was just walking thru alot of hard shots from bigger guys..and all the guys I mentioned hit hard..were talking KO power..
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:13 PM
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I beleive there are alot of fighters out there using PEDS, and Pac is one of them. This reminds me of MLB, alot of people including myself doubted Canseco when he came out and said that there were a ton of MLB players juicing or using peds. Then the Mitchell report came out..and people were like wow..
Now i dont think Pac used anything when he was at the lower weight classes, or for his last fight with JMM and Bradly..but his fights with DLH,Hatton,Cotto,Margarito, and the other fights with JMM I believe he was on something..because he was just walking thru alot of hard shots from bigger guys..and all the guys I mentioned hit hard..were talking KO power..
based on what though looks???
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:42 PM
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IMO, it doesnt even matter... there was no testing. all is fair. he showed the same punching power & physique that had people questioning pac for years... so does he get a free pass from the critics????

personally, i dont think he was juicing... he didnt NEED to. i think he focused on strength, explosiveness, & durability for the fight. he already had pac's timing dialed in. he just needed that extra pop in his punches. and he needed the durability to be able to absorb punches.... i think it was brilliant training on their part. from strength/conditioning to gameplan. it was perfect.
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:46 PM
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:53 PM
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IMO, it doesnt even matter... there was no testing. all is fair. he showed the same punching power & physique that had people questioning pac for years... so does he get a free pass from the critics????

personally, i dont think he was juicing... he didnt NEED to. i think he focused on strength, explosiveness, & durability for the fight. he already had pac's timing dialed in. he just needed that extra pop in his punches. and he needed the durability to be able to absorb punches.... i think it was brilliant training on their part. from strength/conditioning to gameplan. it was perfect.
is it naturally possible to look bigger and more ripped at age 39.. and on top of that show much more power and explosiveness with your punches than you've ever shown previously?

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WHETHER HE THINKS THE SIZE THAT MARQUEZ PUT ON, IN THE QUICK TIME PERIOD THAT HE DID SO, AT HIS AGE, SHOULD BE QUESTIONED?

Garcia: ***8220;Yes, definitely. Yes, yes and yes. You hit on some key points. It***8217;s a natural thing aging. When you age, one of the main factors is a difference in [the] hormone levels your body does produce, [with] that being directly related to your muscular skeletal system and everything else. It has to do with recovery***8230; a lot of that is hormone based. So yes, of course, later on in life, to get that much better, definitely has to raise questions. Even if you just look at the 24/7 [Pacquiao-Marquez series] there was a really important small comment, that maybe a lot of people didn***8217;t catch, within what Nacho Beristain [Marquez trainer] said. He said, ***8216;this time when Marquez came into camp, he came into camp very explosive. He had this strength and explosiveness like I***8217;ve never seen before. And you know, and for those that don***8217;t know, especially in the sport of boxing, you would use PEDs in the off-season when nobody***8217;s looking, and do all that ground work before you even signed that fight. And then you have those two or three months of training, then you would have your eight week training ***8212; your boxing training. So if he***8217;s [Marquez] coming into training this way***8230; because they know that these questions will be raised, obviously they could have used before. So yes, you could say that it does raise a lot of red flags, whether it***8217;s true or not, or [whether] they***8217;re really that great at what they do. But honestly***8230; genetically, naturally, it***8217;s not***8230; I wouldn***8217;t say it***8217;s impossible, but pretty close to impossible.***8221;
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can't honestly say you're not a little suspicious...a 39 year old marquez punching harder than he has ever in his previous fights against pacquiao..

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Old 01-03-2013, 07:01 PM
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YES. MARQUEZ ON THE JUICE FOR PAC. Ok? This doesn't mean Pac never juiced...who knows? Alot of them have. But, the issue on this thread is Marquez. He juiced. It's friggin obvious. He probably was encouraged to do it. Nobody in Mexico gives a dam, they just wanted him to beat PacMan. PacMan destroyed Mexican boxing for 10 years. So, Marquez juiced to get him. Marquez still a great fighter. But, he compromised his standards out of Mexican nationalism.

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