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View Poll Results: In YOUR OPINION did JMM juice or not?
In MY OPINION JMM did juice to beat Pac 22 26.19%
In MY OPINION JMM did NOT juice to beat Pac 51 60.71%
Mayweather still sux donkeydeek 11 13.10%
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:58 PM
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i can't be 110% certain that he did cheat cause of course there is no real credible proof...but is it suspicious as hell? YES...if you hook up with a ped dealer/chemist/guru/user who didn't serve time for his crimes and changed his name for whatever reason then yes it's suspicious...also there should be a "i think it's suspicious" option...there was another thread on this that had better polling options. your third option is pretty stupid ...
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:59 PM
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:00 PM
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In 2009 when Marquez was getting beaten to the punch by Mayweather, a German documentary featuring Hereida was released. In the documentary Heredia display how easy it is to procure EPO in Mexico, where many PED'S such as EPO and testosteron, are legal. Heredia enter a mexico city pharmacy, brought EPO and injected it on camera into his own stomach. Heredia also stated on camera." I've created 20 different PED'S that are still undetectable from the doping testers."
We all now if alex ariza ever said anything like this ever. Pac would be crucified.
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:05 PM
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You ever hear of the term "roid rage". Well that comes from the amount of testoterone to much of it and you basically become a adrenaline beast.
Come on now. First, the existence of "roid rage" is debatable. But, more importantly, to be raging during a fight he'd have to be on-cycle, meaning he'd have a lot of water retention, not be lean, not make weight, etc. If you think he used, ok, I won't argue that. But claiming Pac had roid rage during a fight shows a serious lack of knowledge on the subject.
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:07 PM
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Come on now. First, the existence of "roid rage" is debatable. But, more importantly, to be raging during a fight he'd have to be on-cycle, meaning he'd have a lot of water retention, not be lean, not make weight, etc. If you think he used, ok, I won't argue that. But claiming Pac had roid rage during a fight shows a serious lack of knowledge on the subject.
You clearly didnt read all my previous post..I was trying to get my point accross to someone else, on how PEDS can help, in regards to taking more damage, and recovering faster and staying focused.
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:22 PM
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You ever hear of the term "roid rage". Well that comes from the amount of testoterone to much of it and you basically become a adrenaline beast. For Manny to go up in weight and progressively get stronger hit harder, take bigger shots..it just seems very suspect to me. A good example is Duran at LW he was a killer at MW he was very good but clearly not the same. So Pac fights most of his carreer below 140, then comes up and whoops some of the top WW's out there..and in the fashion that he did it..something just aint right.
i don't think pac got that much stronger i just think he was able to maintain his power as he went up in weight..pac almost had a 100% ko record from 122-126..only people that didn't get stopped were agapito sanchez (fight ended early due to headbutt) and marquez (who was knocked down 3 times and had his nose broken). from jw to ww pac only stopped 3 people and that was hatton (not the greatest defense), cotto, and de la hoya (never went down just called it quits). duran wasn't the same at the higher weights true but he still had the power to stop or hurt guys...just ask davey moore or iran barkley. but who knows i could be wrong..pac could have been using steroids to enhance his performance..but i think it's more suspicios to be 39 and still be ripped as hell and now showing more power than you've ever shown previously...and all of this happening once he hooked up with a known ped dealer/guru/chemist...

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Old 12-28-2012, 03:23 PM
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You clearly didnt read all my previous post..I was trying to get my point accross to someone else, on how PEDS can help, in regards to taking more damage, and recovering faster and staying focused.
IN TRAINING. Read that last part again. PEDs don't give you better recovery in the ring unless you go in there on-cycle which is so incredibly unlikely for any of the smaller weight classes.
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:30 PM
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Im with you..with the exception of Nonito Donaire..I wouldnt put it passed any pro athlete..
Why not Nonito? He is working with Victor Conte, you think Conte doesn't know how to pass his own tests?
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:32 PM
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IN TRAINING. Read that last part again. PEDs don't give you better recovery in the ring unless you go in there on-cycle which is so incredibly unlikely for any of the smaller weight classes.
Nothing is unlikely..if Shane and Vargas and Berto got caught..nothing suprises me..If you get the right "nutritionist" it can be done, there are ways around the drug test..were not just talking plain old steroids like D-bol..there are tons of synthetic PEDS out there.
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