Pac Fans...did JMM juice or not? what you got?

[E.P.T.]

The Pac fans that are accusing Marquez of juicing are the same Pac fans that used to say "It's not steroids it's the sticky rice" after Manny hooked up with Alex Ariza.

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Originally Posted by liraj

The Pac fans that are accusing Marquez of juicing are the same Pac fans that used to say "It's not steroids it's the sticky rice" after Manny hooked up with Alex Ariza.

Thats a funny pic..I think he did use PEDS, but im not mad at him, I just think Pac got some of his own medicine. And being that Pac is involved in church and politics he probably chose not to use PEDS for this fight..and he clearly wasnt the same..in there past fight JMM hit him with way bigger bombs that Pac was able to recover quickly from..but not this time.

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Originally Posted by onetwopunch

Thats a funny pic..I think he did use PEDS, but im not mad at him, I just think Pac got some of his own medicine. And being that Pac is involved in church and politics he probably chose not to use PEDS for this fight..and he clearly wasnt the same..in there past fight JMM hit him with way bigger bombs that Pac was able to recover quickly from..but not this time.

I honestly believe that 90% of boxers are on some type of PED. Lampley's a puppet now a days but heres an old video of him talking about it.

[SoggyLungs]

Originally Posted by onetwopunch

No, but what they do is allow you to take more punishment and recover quicker. They just make you plain stronger.

but i don't think it would help punch resistance that much either though...i mean wasn't vargas juiced as hell going into the de la hoya fight? pac's chin has been solid from 126 and above..

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Originally Posted by liraj

I honestly believe that 90% of boxers are on some type of PED. Lampley's a puppet now a days but heres an old video of him talking about it.

Im with you..with the exception of Nonito Donaire..I wouldnt put it passed any pro athlete..

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Originally Posted by onetwopunch

Im with you..with the exception of Nonito Donaire..I wouldnt put it passed any pro athlete..

yea it seems like Nonito's the only one willing to prove he's not juicing by getting tested all year round.

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Originally Posted by SoggyLungs

but i don't think it would help punch resistance that much either though...i mean wasn't vargas juiced as hell going into the de la hoya fight? pac's chin has been solid from 126 and above..

It does, Vargas was juiced out but..he was not the same fighter after Tito. Wilfredo Rivera dropped him..and Rivera is no power puncher. He knew he wasnt the same and needed something to help him out..he hated DLH. Same goes for Pac..a little guy like that just walking thru guys shots..DLH, Cotto., JMM..etc..your not talkiing about pillow fisted dudes here. And did you see the head cast Pac had after the Cotto fight?..i heard he was bleeding out of his eardrum..and he never looked hurt in that fight Cotto hit him flush..with some hooks and uppers that would of dropped or hurt most guys.

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Originally Posted by liraj

yea it seems like Nonito's the only one willing to prove he's not juicing by getting tested all year round.

Yeah man respect to him for that. If guys in MLB baseball were using peds..im pretty sure alot of guys in boxing are using peds.

[SoggyLungs]

Originally Posted by onetwopunch

It does, Vargas was juiced out but..he was not the same fighter after Tito. Wilfredo Rivera dropped him..and Rivera is no power puncher. He knew he wasnt the same and needed something to help him out..he hated DLH. Same goes for Pac..a little guy like that just walking thru guys shots..DLH, Cotto., JMM..etc..your not talkiing about pillow fisted dudes here. And did you see the head cast Pac had after the Cotto fight?..i heard he was bleeding out of his eardrum..and he never looked hurt in that fight Cotto hit him flush..with some hooks and uppers that would of dropped or hurt most guys.

it's true pac did eat some flush shots from cotto..margarito almost knocked pac down with a body shot tho, but he recovered well from that too. i guess you could use steroids to improve your neck and shoulder muscles to take shots better, but i'm not sure if that would do a whole lot to make you take punches better. i think he just took punches better as he moved up because he wasn't cutting down as much in weight or whatever...ww is pretty much pac's natural weight class..at 130 he was fighting at 145 lbs on fight night. at ww he fights at 148-150 on fight night now.

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Originally Posted by SoggyLungs

it's true pac did eat some flush shots from cotto..margarito almost knocked pac down with a body shot tho, but he recovered well from that too. i guess you could use steroids to improve your neck and shoulder muscles to take shots better, but i'm not sure if that would do a whole lot to make you take punches better. i think he just took punches better as he moved up because he wasn't cutting down as much in weight or whatever...ww is pretty much pac's natural weight class..at 130 he was fighting at 145 lbs on fight night. at ww he fights at 148-150 on fight night now.

You ever hear of the term "roid rage". Well that comes from the amount of testoterone to much of it and you basically become a adrenaline beast. For Manny to go up in weight and progressively get stronger hit harder, take bigger shots..it just seems very suspect to me. A good example is Duran at LW he was a killer at MW he was very good but clearly not the same. So Pac fights most of his carreer below 140, then comes up and whoops some of the top WW's out there..and in the fashion that he did it..something just aint right.