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Old 12-24-2012, 11:08 PM
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Floyds win over Mosley and Delahoya is equivalent to Marciano's Ko win of Joe Louis
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Old 12-24-2012, 11:44 PM
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He's been knocked down, once officially. It wasn't a knock down, but then I just pretend that when he got properly knocked down by Judah and the ref missed it that it counts for that one instead.

So yes, he's been knocked down.

Counter right hook, from memory, to Floyds straight right. The fact that Pac has a right hook that makes Judahs look like junk makes me think he could have caught Floyd coming in shooting that straight right. Sadly, we'll never know.

As for the OP, its certainly up for debate I think.

The best names Floyd beat, Oscar, Mosley and Marquez were all old or smaller guys moving up. He has some excellent wins against Hernandez, Castillo and Corrales too.

However, if we go by that, Marciano does have greater name power. Ezzard Charles is a top ten P4P ATG (some have him top 20).
Joe Louis, was old and shot, but is also an ATG.
Archie Moore is put in the top 10/20 ATGs.
Jersey Joe Walcott is among the greatest ever too.

Those four alone are much greater than anything on Floyds resume and while they were past their best, so were Oscar and Mosley while Marquez was moving up two divisions for his first ever fight at 147 never having fought above 135.

You know what division Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore came from dont you?

Neither of them are rated highly as heavyweights.
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Old 12-24-2012, 11:46 PM
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Old 12-24-2012, 11:55 PM
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When you go through Marciano's resume you see that although there are some very good wins at the end, the rest of it is just complete no-namers. That's what you should expect of a 7 year career from a late starter. Well done to Marciano for getting out while on top.

But I think Floyd is significantly greater.

Hernandez
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Shot Mosley
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Versus

Charles
Walcott
Shot Louis
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Moore.

I'm going with Floyd

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Marciano did have a great record, with 49 wins with 43 by KO. He faught much different than Mayweather, going head first into the action. Technically Marciano was not a more sound boxer, but his chin and power puts him in another category. With wins against, Moore, Charles, La Starza, Louis, and Wilcott; solidify his greatness as One of the greatest boxers and if not the greatest heavyweight!
Not even close
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:26 AM
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Marciano
Joe Louis
Archie Moore

Calzaghe
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Bernard Hopkins

Mayweather
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Juan Manuel Marquez

Mayweather has the weakest resume of the 3.
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:27 AM
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Marciano
Joe Louis
Archie Moore

Calzaghe
Roy Jones Jr
Bernard Hopkins

Mayweather
Oscar De La Hoya
Juan Manuel Marquez

Mayweather has the weakest resume of the 3.
Joe Louis and Roy Jones Jr. were completely shot at that stage of their career.

Walcott and Kessler are better wins. Ezzard Charles is a better win than Archie Moore.

And I assume it was intentional that you only listed two wins for each fighter.
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:50 AM
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Joe Louis and Roy Jones Jr. were completely shot at that stage of their career.

Walcott and Kessler are better wins. Ezzard Charles is a better win than Archie Moore.

And I assume it was intentional that you only listed two wins for each fighter.
Im only counting wins against ATGs and Oscar/Marquez is seriously stretching it. Be happy I even put them in the same league as the others.

Joe Louis is the greatest Heavyweight ever.
Archie Moore is top 30 p4p.
Roy Jones top 50 p4p
Hopkins top 50 p4p
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:56 AM
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Im only counting wins against ATGs and Oscar/Marquez is seriously stretching it. Be happy I even put them in the same league as the others.

Joe Louis is the greatest Heavyweight ever.
Archie Moore is top 30 p4p.
Roy Jones top 50 p4p
Hopkins top 50 p4p
In other words, criteria that very neatly and conveniently fits your agenda.

Oscar and Marquez were both in better shape than Joe Louis and Roy Jones.

I could go fight Jake LaMotta at his house right now, and hopefully win. That would give me more wins over ATGs than Ricardo Lopez.

Now does that make me a better fighter?

I personally rank Louis #1 at heavyweight as well, but in terms of wins over ATGs, Ali blows him straight out of the water with Foreman, Liston and Frazier.

So how do you rank Louis higher given your criteria here?
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Old 12-25-2012, 01:01 AM
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Mayweather's resume is not very good, this makes it easier to remain undefeated though.
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Old 12-25-2012, 01:18 AM
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Marciano or Floyd IMO
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