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View Poll Results: Who is stronger/punches harder in 4th? Marquez or Pacquiao?
Marquez is stronger/punch harder 32 50.00%
Pacquiao is stronger/punch harder 32 50.00%
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Old 12-20-2012, 11:42 PM
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Pac got KTFO by a guy Floyd shut out 12-0. Floyd fought him when he was more prime and closer to his natural weight class.
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Old 12-20-2012, 11:44 PM
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Interesting post. Pacquiao wasn't just careless however. He was, but he was also unlucky. Hitching his foot against JMM's foot right as the finishing punch connected greatly enhanced the closeline effect. Pacquiao planed into that shot at high speed. If we're going to be forensic about these discussions we should be completely accurate.

Yes, you're right. Combination of both. I agree.
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Old 12-20-2012, 11:53 PM
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Pac got KTFO by a guy Floyd shut out 12-0. Floyd fought him when he was more prime and closer to his natural weight class.
Are you trying to be funny? GFYS
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Old 12-20-2012, 11:56 PM
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jmm....and very supringsingly so too
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Old 12-20-2012, 11:58 PM
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They both did. Just because Marques KO'd Pacquiao, doesn't mean he hit harder. Marquez just landed better shots. Better than he did in their other fights.
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:11 AM
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i think the power of Marquez in the 3rd is already there, but not as powerful as in the 4th fight. Thats why Manny came out strong in the opening bell of the 4th fight.

Imo, Pacquiao figured him in the last couple rounds of the 3rd fight, Marquez wasn't trying to coast the last round of the 3rd fight, i think he was being cautious because he was figured out and thats why Manny wants 4th fight asap.

Now Marquez, knowing he was figured out resorted for more punching power for the 4th fight, so one mistake from Manny ends the fight. That was their plan, unexpected punching power, surprise KO power. Manny expecting he can take the punch and be reckless. Thats is what they talk about all the time leading to the fight go for KO, they know they have power coming in the 4th fight.

I think Manny was cautious tho after KD, but got careless again because it was getting easy and forgot the punching power of Marquez.
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Interesting post. Pacquiao wasn't just careless however. He was, but he was also unlucky. Hitching his foot against JMM's foot right as the finishing punch connected greatly enhanced the closeline effect. Pacquiao planed into that shot at high speed. If we're going to be forensic about these discussions we should be completely accurate.
Manny was even more than unlucky. If you've never been in the ring you wouldn't know the following, but, every boxer eventually gets what I refer too as like a 6th sense - regarding the snaps of the warning at end of each round.

Manny knew the round was over. He knew when he heard the snaps, he had 'X' amount of time.

If you re-watch the fight, you can tell Manny knew the round was over and hesitated, thinking he didn't want to hit after the bell.

On top of that he was close enough for Marquez, and he had his hands down.

On top of that his right foot was trapped at Marquez's left foot.

On top of that JMM was juiced for the last year, and had the best PEDs money can buy.

On top of that, after he got hit and had his right foot trapped - thus speeding his descent with his hands down - his face smashes with massive velocity off of the floor .... ala Jones/Tarver.

Manny was more than unlucky, the guy was cursed that night.
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:43 AM
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no he was careless. He threw caution to the wind trying to go for the KO leaving himself really open
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:45 AM
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Pac got KTFO by a guy Floyd shut out 12-0. Floyd fought him when he was more prime and closer to his natural weight class.
this thread has nothing to do with floyd
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:55 AM
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Pac got KTFO by a guy Floyd shut out 12-0. Floyd fought him when he was more prime and closer to his natural weight class.
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Pac got KTFO by a guy Floyd shut out 12-0. Floyd fought him when he was more prime and closer to his natural weight class.
Let me pick your post apart a couple different ways.

1) Floyd shut out the 135lb Marquez who was fat on fight night and had never fought at 147 in his life.

2) This was an intentional cherrypicking by Floyd. Floyd knew he would have an easy night. The fight was a catchweight 146lb fight which Floyd ignored and gladly sacrificed the 600,000 penalty for the advantage. Floyd refused to be weighed the day of the fight, but he wasn't obligated to so whatever. JMM weighed 144lbs on fight night, Floyd unofficially weighed 153. Where's the sportsmanship?

3) Did you really say "natural weight class". Really elfag. Really.
Floyd had already been a JuniorMiddleWeight(154lbs) champ beating up on a blown up lightweight(135lbs)

4) Manny fought JMM2.0 juiced up with the best PEDs you can get. JMM might have been older last week than when he fought Mayweather, BUT, I assure you his body was 'younger functioning' during Manny/JMM4. On top of that When JMM fought Mayweather he was a blown up lightweight. During Manny/JMM4, JMM was far more acclimated to the WW(147) division and more comfortable with the weight.

5) Triangle theories don't work in boxing. Manny could actually have Floyds number. Floyd doesn't automatically beat Manny because he beat JMM during JMMs initial WW appearance.

6) Floyd isn't even guaranteed to beat JMM2.0 w/juice/PEDpower in a rematch, - which I personally would like to see.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:25 AM
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Manny was even more than unlucky. If you've never been in the ring you wouldn't know the following, but, every boxer eventually gets what I refer too as like a 6th sense - regarding the snaps of the warning at end of each round.

Manny knew the round was over. He knew when he heard the snaps, he had 'X' amount of time.

If you re-watch the fight, you can tell Manny knew the round was over and hesitated, thinking he didn't want to hit after the bell.

On top of that he was close enough for Marquez, and he had his hands down.

On top of that his right foot was trapped at Marquez's left foot.

On top of that JMM was juiced for the last year, and had the best PEDs money can buy.

On top of that, after he got hit and had his right foot trapped - thus speeding his descent with his hands down - his face smashes with massive velocity off of the floor .... ala Jones/Tarver.

Manny was more than unlucky, the guy was cursed that night.

PEDs and LUCK can break the aura of invincibility lol.
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