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Old 12-19-2012, 05:03 PM
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I would agree, quality of opposition and overall skillset have to be considered when doing P4P lists.

Are Wlad's opponents on the same level as Pac's and Nonito's?

And does Wlad have all of the tools that Pac and Nonito do?

The answer to both questions is a resounding no. In my opinion.
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:10 PM
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To quote a line from the Rocky Balboa movie, Wladimir is a "victim of his own dominance". Wladimir has always had great fundamentals and skill, but the weak state of the heavyweight division means that there aren't many challenges there for him. He does not have the option of going up in weight like smaller fighters do when they clean up a division and being 6'6" it's impossible to move down to a lighter division. He's stuck with what the division has to offer.

Does he have better fundamentals than Pacquiao? I think so. Donaire? I think I agree also. His problem is the lack of competition because he does not have a heavyweight JMM to test him.
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:11 PM
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At this point you have to rate him higher than Pacquiao.
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:14 PM
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Does he have better fundamentals than Pacquiao? I think so. Donaire? I think I agree also.
All Klitschko does 90% of the time is jab, jab, right hand, grab. He DOES NOT have better skills than Pacquiao.

Manny has forgotten more combinations than Wladimir ever learned.
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:15 PM
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I would agree, quality of opposition and overall skillset have to be considered when doing P4P lists.

Are Wlad's opponents on the same level as Pac's and Nonito's?

And does Wlad have all of the tools that Pac and Nonito do?

The answer to both questions is a resounding no. In my opinion.
i agree 100%.

ppl talk about his dominance but hes taking bums the distance on a regular basis while donaire is flattening ten times better fighters.

pacquiao is better than him too, better oposition and better skills just like you say. he might be coming of a loss but look at who he took the loss to. wlad never fought anyone that good and if he did he would be knocked out cold too.
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:20 PM
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Donare is much better than both Wlad and Lennox ever been... Nooot!
NO. Wlad and Donaire never avenged their losses, so they both suck.

Lennox defeated every man he ever faced professionally.
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:21 PM
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All Klitschko does 90% of the time is jab, jab, right hand, grab. He DOES NOT have better skills than Pacquiao.

Manny has forgotten more combinations than Wladimir ever learned.
You are entitled to your opinion and I always respect what every rational poster contributes but I never felt Pacquiao had great fundamentals. Pacquiao had an explosive, dynamic style that worked wonders for him and made him a great fighter, but his skills are not traditional in a classic sense.

If you take a new fighter and teach him to try and fight like Pacquiao, chances are he will get knocked out. Pacquiao, like Roy Jones and, to a lesser degree, Hamed, had physical gifts that made him special. On the other hand, Wladimir, is a classic boxer puncher with solid technique and an extensive amateur pedigree. That's why I choose Wladimir's fundamentals over Pacquiao's physical attributes.
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:23 PM
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I would agree, quality of opposition and overall skillset have to be considered when doing P4P lists.

Are Wlad's opponents on the same level as Pac's and Nonito's?

And does Wlad have all of the tools that Pac and Nonito do?

The answer to both questions is a resounding no. In my opinion.
This right here.
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:25 PM
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NO. Wlad and Donaire never avenged their losses, so they both suck.

Lennox defeated every man he ever faced professionally.
Ouu, so it's that argument... I thought it would be about (non)motivation.

Yeeeah it makes a perfect sense now... Lennox is the best!!! ..ou I mean Donare.. ou I mean.. what's this thread about again? ouu yeah, Wlad sucks!
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:42 PM
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Hell no, he's fighting in a ****ty division. The best opponent he faced this year is a guy he knocked out several years ago. Enough said.
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