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Old 12-17-2012, 05:04 PM
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That is what Conte does, his job is basically finding loopholes in the system.

In my honest opinion anybody that works with this guy is doing so on the basis of cheating and saying ''well I get tested all year round'' they're basically rubbing your nose in it and saying there is nothing you can do about it, you can't prove it unless you actually witness me shoving a needle in my ass!

Conte knows how to get past the tests, in fact the tests are ridiculously easy to pass and just about anybody could do so within a very brief study.

The guy is basically a chemist, hell he very likely has added bonds and made steroids which aren't even known and are undetectable.

Ariza gets a pass, he has no past to my knowledge and seems on the nutrition side of things but this Conte guy is a complete shark.

I agree that anyone working with Conte is suspect. Where I disagree is with Ariza getting a pass. That guy has lots of red flags, like publicly admitting that Pacquaio has no idea what he gives him. How is this possible and how is that in the best interest of a fighter? Doctors can't even do something like that without losing their license. Even Roach admitted that he specifically asked Ariza what he is giving Pacquaio. And some of his fighters in the past, like Corales, blamed him for their liver problems. Someone on the board actually put me on to that information recently (old articles mentioning it).
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:12 PM
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As brought up by @Gabriel_Montoya, Memo Heredia said Sat. night he'll take care of Nonito w/ Rigondeaux. "Me lo voy a chingar con Rigo."

Your boy Rigo may be working with Memo...



I like to give people the benefit of the doubt; innocent until proven guilty.
I just do not think its a coincidence how all these guys are coming to boxing and seemingly trying to get one up on each other. Its all very fishy IMO and I wouldn't advice any pro athlete to get involved with these scumbags.

Dealing/distributing is one thing, fcuking up somebodies career and potentially their health/other fighters & basically using them as a guinea pig and having them risk side effects is another.

These guys should not be allowed anywhere near professional sports given their history.

This Memo guy seems a bit weird though with a strange dislike for Donaire which I presume is because he is associated with Conte.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:21 PM
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Where's the tweet?

Or did you just dream the tweet?

Link it.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:22 PM
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Keep in mind, Victor Conte is an expert at making PEDs undetectable.
He's not really an expert at making PEDs, like custom designer drugs. But Conte knows where and how to get it though.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:23 PM
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This is getting dangerous for boxing. Any one linked with PED use should not be allowed in boxing. There only line of work should be to catch cheats.

It's quickly becoming you either join them or get KTFO by their fighters
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:23 PM
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I like to give people the benefit of the doubt; innocent until proven guilty.
I just do not think its a coincidence how all these guys are coming to boxing and seemingly trying to get one up on each other. Its all very fishy IMO and I wouldn't advice any pro athlete to get involved with these scumbags.

Dealing/distributing is one thing, fcuking up somebodies career and potentially their health/other fighters & basically using them as a guinea pig and having them risk side effects is another.

These guys should not be allowed anywhere near professional sports given their history.

This Memo guy seems a bit weird though with a strange dislike for Donaire which I presume is because he is associated with Conte.
Boxing is all about rivalry and talk, which in turn makes money. Ariza got work because of Pac. Danny Garcia got work because people see his fighters with success and so did Roach, Steward etc...

Memo doesn't like Conte and vice versa. Conte and Ariza also have their twitter beef... lol.

Anyway, boxers need these strength, conditioners and nutritionists because they, unlike other sports need to train in their art, train to be strong and fit, and also lose weight for the scales. This combination means one or the other will affect something.

I think also boxers usually have teams because they feel like they need all the help they can get. They need to feel secure and having an 'expert' that suggests new things to them, may make them feel stronger mentally, and in most cases, physically a lot better because usually they starve to make weight which is definitely not going to be beneficial.

The day and age where boxers eat unhealthy, and only do road work and stuff like that is over at the top level.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:25 PM
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Where's the tweet?

Or did you just dream the tweet?

Link it.
I think TS came to the conclusion when conte tweeted that he's working with several of Virgils fighters
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:34 PM
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khan has decent power, he can put down people when he times and loads his shots, but these days he flurries too much. If Hunter can get Khan to time his shots, then whoever he is facing will taste the canvas at some point.

You look at his last 10 opponents and see how many got knocked down at some stage of the fight.
I actually regret going down that line of argument, punching power is all in technique and Khan has just changed trainers so yeah...

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It isn't risky if you know how to eliminate the risk involved. So if Conte has methods that can't be detected right now, there is little to no risk involved.
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Keep in mind, Victor Conte is an expert at making PEDs undetectable.
Thing is if Conte has them i guarantee other S&C coaches do as well. Also Conte will not have been able to be in the Lab developing these new masking agents without scrutiny due to his background. Most of the stuff he was doing at balco is probably so outdated now its not even funny.

Until his fighters start failing drugs tests then im afraid all we can do is presume innocence. Esp when they are doing the most testing of all fighters in the world (outside Ams).
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:49 PM
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I actually regret going down that line of argument, punching power is all in technique and Khan has just changed trainers so yeah...

Thing is if Conte has them i guarantee other S&C coaches do as well. Also Conte will not have been able to be in the Lab developing these new masking agents without scrutiny due to his background. Most of the stuff he was doing at balco is probably so outdated now its not even funny.

Until his fighters start failing drugs tests then im afraid all we can do is presume innocence. Esp when they are doing the most testing of all fighters in the world (outside Ams).

It's possible other coaches have them, but probably not. His reputation and connections transcends most of them. Also, Conte does not have the knowledge and skill to develop drugs in the laboratory. Conte is not a guy like Memo who actually has laboratory experience, a chemistry professor as a father, and a university degree in the subject. But the BALCO drugs, much of it would still pass today in boxing because the Commission testing is a joke. It doesn't test for HGH, EPO, etc. Anyway, don't be fooled, Conte didn't make the drugs.

He's already admitted guilt in the recent past! So how does he get to be innocent until proven guilty? How is that not a joke? Lol.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:56 PM
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He's not really an expert at making PEDs, like custom designer drugs. But Conte knows where and how to get it though.
but do you think a guy who actually served time for his crimes and has been very vocal about pushing for more testing in boxing, and is open about who he works with is going to risk getting caught again? if he gets caught then that's it for him...heredia is still shady as hell...he changed his name for whatever reason, he doesn't give any info on any of his other clients, and he never served a day in jail...
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