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Old 12-17-2012, 05:44 PM #11
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ok,hope he treats him better than he did Ariza
Yeah it's not like Ariza dumped him in the middle of a camp which was his most important fight in his career and didn't even tell him.
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Why do Memo & Ariza both talk about the science of training, yet neither seems to push their boxers to be randomly drug tested? 24/7/365
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That is what Conte does, his job is basically finding loopholes in the system.

In my honest opinion anybody that works with this guy is doing so on the basis of cheating and saying ''well I get tested all year round'' they're basically rubbing your nose in it and saying there is nothing you can do about it, you can't prove it unless you actually witness me shoving a needle in my ass!

Conte knows how to get past the tests, in fact the tests are ridiculously easy to pass and just about anybody could do so within a very brief study.

The guy is basically a chemist, hell he very likely has added bonds and made steroids which aren't even known and are undetectable.

Ariza gets a pass, he has no past to my knowledge and seems on the nutrition side of things but this Conte guy is a complete shark.
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You realise Donaire is on the highest amount of testing of any fighter right, 24hrs/365 days of the year voluntary random blood and urine testing. Doesnt mean he is clean i acknowledge that, but ill believe hes clean easier than everyone else in the sport for the time being.

For me, since the Lance Armstrong case, i am highly suspicious of any athlete. For me also it doesnt matter if you are with Conte, Heredia, Ariza or some unknown all these strength and conditioning coaches know about PEDs, how to administer them and how to use masking agents. Its just down to whether they are willing to accept the risks involved, and for me Conte is someone who cant afford to take the risk.

This could be an interesting case study actually, we all know Khan has no chin and doesnt have KO power, if he comes out suddenly taking and delivering bombs then ill accept it looks fishy.
It isn't risky if you know how to eliminate the risk involved. So if Conte has methods that can't be detected right now, there is little to no risk involved.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:58 PM #15
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It isn't risky if you know how to eliminate the risk involved. So if Conte has methods that can't be detected right now, there is little to no risk involved.

Of course he has methods, that is what he does lol

I even seen an interview with him on Joe Rogans talk show, basically telling people how to get past them lol

Testogel - Testosterone in a gel form you rub on your forearm. Used to speed up recovery, apply that after training and it is out of your system within 6 hours, your testostone levels will be back within the range (I think its 4:1 ratio) That is just one method.
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Why are all these guys associated with the BALCO scandal and such getting involved in boxing? Doesn't anybody else find that suspicious?

My guess is because the system(s) used are very easy to get by and there is big money to be made.

Tbh I think that is the only logical reason myself.
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Of course he has methods, that is what he does lol

I even seen an interview with him on Joe Rogans talk show, basically telling people how to get past them lol

Testogel - Testosterone in a gel form you rub on your forearm. Used to speed up recovery, apply that after training and it is out of your system within 6 hours, your testostone levels will be back within the range (I think its 4:1 ratio) That is just one method.
As brought up by @Gabriel_Montoya, Memo Heredia said Sat. night he'll take care of Nonito w/ Rigondeaux. "Me lo voy a chingar con Rigo."

Your boy Rigo may be working with Memo...
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That is what Conte does, his job is basically finding loopholes in the system.

In my honest opinion anybody that works with this guy is doing so on the basis of cheating and saying ''well I get tested all year round'' they're basically rubbing your nose in it and saying there is nothing you can do about it, you can't prove it unless you actually witness me shoving a needle in my ass!

Conte knows how to get past the tests, in fact the tests are ridiculously easy to pass and just about anybody could do so within a very brief study.

The guy is basically a chemist, hell he very likely has added bonds and made steroids which aren't even known and are undetectable.

Ariza gets a pass, he has no past to my knowledge and seems on the nutrition side of things but this Conte guy is a complete shark.

I agree that anyone working with Conte is suspect. Where I disagree is with Ariza getting a pass. That guy has lots of red flags, like publicly admitting that Pacquaio has no idea what he gives him. How is this possible and how is that in the best interest of a fighter? Doctors can't even do something like that without losing their license. Even Roach admitted that he specifically asked Ariza what he is giving Pacquaio. And some of his fighters in the past, like Corales, blamed him for their liver problems. Someone on the board actually put me on to that information recently (old articles mentioning it).
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As brought up by @Gabriel_Montoya, Memo Heredia said Sat. night he'll take care of Nonito w/ Rigondeaux. "Me lo voy a chingar con Rigo."

Your boy Rigo may be working with Memo...



I like to give people the benefit of the doubt; innocent until proven guilty.
I just do not think its a coincidence how all these guys are coming to boxing and seemingly trying to get one up on each other. Its all very fishy IMO and I wouldn't advice any pro athlete to get involved with these scumbags.

Dealing/distributing is one thing, fcuking up somebodies career and potentially their health/other fighters & basically using them as a guinea pig and having them risk side effects is another.

These guys should not be allowed anywhere near professional sports given their history.

This Memo guy seems a bit weird though with a strange dislike for Donaire which I presume is because he is associated with Conte.
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