Bookmark Website  | Free Registration  | The Team
Boxing Champions |  Boxing Schedule |  Boxing Video  |  Boxing History   |  Pound For Pound  | Lounge  | The Wire |  Audio  | Arcade

Navigation
Go Back   Boxing Forum > Boxing Forums > Non Stop Boxing
Reply
Thread Navigation

#1
Old 12-15-2012, 01:26 PM
Nekronicle
Contender
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 378
Rep Power: 3 Nekronicle has a reputation beyond reputeNekronicle has a reputation beyond reputeNekronicle has a reputation beyond reputeNekronicle has a reputation beyond reputeNekronicle has a reputation beyond reputeNekronicle has a reputation beyond reputeNekronicle has a reputation beyond reputeNekronicle has a reputation beyond reputeNekronicle has a reputation beyond reputeNekronicle has a reputation beyond reputeNekronicle has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 26,892.01
Bank: 134,434,500,611.17
Total Points: 134,434,527,503.18
Default When did Strength & Coditioning Coaches become essential?

Importance of Strength and Coditioning Coaches on a Team seems to be central in most camps...why is this?? Who started this trend...

Freddie Roach before his parkinsons set in big time, had Justin Fortune, who had a minimal role and learned and listened to Roach (he was also a boxer ..so theres that, ignoring the dispute as well) Roach used him more as a tool for stuff he was physically unable to do...now Ariza seems to be Solo in most camps, doing what hewants.

I see the benefits of a dedicated S&C Coach, but the focus has shifted from being a well rounded boxer to friggin S&C.
Reply With Quote
Nekronicle is offline
Advertisements
>>>TO REMOVE THESE ADS, PLEASE REGISTER HERE FOR FREE<<<
#2
Old 12-15-2012, 01:37 PM
Ferrarijones
Contender
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 292
Rep Power: 5 Ferrarijones will become famous soon enoughFerrarijones will become famous soon enough
Points: 19,346.59
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 19,346.59
Default

Probably when boxers startd getting lazy and refusing to do roadwork. Also, probably because many of the new trainers may not know how to get a boxer physically ready for a fight like the old vets who've passed away. So they easily bought into all the strength and conditioning mess.

I'm not sold on them myself. I've seen fighters end up MORE winded in the later rounds because of these so called experts. Donaire gets hooked up to breathing machines like a lab rat and still is winded at the end of his fights. I beieve they're just taking advantage of boxers making them believe they need something they really don't. Placebo effect.

The old ways worked and they shouldn't cast them aside due to "modern science". If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Reply With Quote
Ferrarijones is offline
#3
Old 12-15-2012, 01:43 PM
Nekronicle
Contender
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 378
Rep Power: 3 Nekronicle has a reputation beyond reputeNekronicle has a reputation beyond reputeNekronicle has a reputation beyond reputeNekronicle has a reputation beyond reputeNekronicle has a reputation beyond reputeNekronicle has a reputation beyond reputeNekronicle has a reputation beyond reputeNekronicle has a reputation beyond reputeNekronicle has a reputation beyond reputeNekronicle has a reputation beyond reputeNekronicle has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 26,892.01
Bank: 134,434,500,611.17
Total Points: 134,434,527,503.18
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferrarijones View Post
Probably when boxers startd getting lazy and refusing to do roadwork. Also, probably because many of the new trainers may not know how to get a boxer physically ready for a fight like the old vets who've passed away. So they easily bought into all the strength and conditioning mess.

I'm not sold on them myself. I've seen fighters end up MORE winded in the later rounds because of these so called experts. Donaire gets hooked up to breathing machines like a lab rat and still is winded at the end of his fights. I beieve they're just taking advantage of boxers making them believe they need something they really don't. Placebo effect.

The old ways worked and they shouldn't cast them aside due to "modern science". If it ain't broke don't fix it.


true talk, and the old ways prepared fighters to go 15 - 20 rounds.
Reply With Quote
Nekronicle is offline
#4
Old 12-15-2012, 01:46 PM
Spray_resistant
Probably Top 10 In my Era
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: A-town PA(homo thugville)
Age: 29
Posts: 27,368
Blog Entries: 2
Rep Power: 107 Spray_resistant has a reputation beyond reputeSpray_resistant has a reputation beyond reputeSpray_resistant has a reputation beyond reputeSpray_resistant has a reputation beyond reputeSpray_resistant has a reputation beyond reputeSpray_resistant has a reputation beyond reputeSpray_resistant has a reputation beyond reputeSpray_resistant has a reputation beyond reputeSpray_resistant has a reputation beyond reputeSpray_resistant has a reputation beyond reputeSpray_resistant has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 6,011,156,570,247.37
Bank: 19,454,867,006.30
Total Points: 6,030,611,437,253.67
No Message - Tha_Greatest No Message - Tha_Greatest No Message - Tha_Greatest No Message - Tha_Greatest No Message - Tha_Greatest 
No Message - Tha_Greatest No Message - Tha_Greatest No Message - Tha_Greatest No Message - Tha_Greatest for you and vanity to use - Hi-Dro 
Whoreville Appreciation Award - Jack Napier for a friend - xi! one of boxingscene's best posters - Freedom. Happy Holidays to you are your gorgeous missus. x x x - *Boss Lady* Happy New Year - Freedom. 
No Message - Tha_Greatest Blue parallelogram 4 u sir - Russian Crushin Merry Christmas and Happy New Year - Freedom. Happy holidays bro! - led* valuable addition to the training forum - jas 
Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - -Kev- Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - -Kev- Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - -Kev- Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - -Kev- Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - -Kev- 
Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - -Kev- Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - -Kev- Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - -Kev- Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - -Kev- Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - -Kev- 
Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - -Kev- Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - -Kev- Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - -Kev- Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - -Kev- Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - -Kev- 
Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - -Kev- Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - -Kev- Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - -Kev- Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - -Kev- Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - -Kev- 
Send a message via AIM to Spray_resistant
Default

When fighters made enough to waste money on useless people in their camps, seriously if your doing what your supposed to as a fighter you should be pretty strong and conditioned come fight night.
Reply With Quote
Spray_resistant is offline
#5
Old 12-15-2012, 01:48 PM
Ray*
BILLY RAY* CYRUS JR
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: London,England
Age: 35
Posts: 23,168
Rep Power: 59 Ray* has a reputation beyond reputeRay* has a reputation beyond reputeRay* has a reputation beyond reputeRay* has a reputation beyond reputeRay* has a reputation beyond reputeRay* has a reputation beyond reputeRay* has a reputation beyond reputeRay* has a reputation beyond reputeRay* has a reputation beyond reputeRay* has a reputation beyond reputeRay* has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 96,877.91
Bank: 192,489,680,098,016.91
Total Points: 192,489,680,194,894.81
Let's just say it's a smokescreen. - BattlingNelson an apple a day, ray - for being one of the most consistently sound guys here, someone i can agree with even when i disagree - Man In Black Cool cat, good poster - mangler Sorry dude! - S a m u r a i Excellent poster - ADDICT 
Took a while for this to be available mate! - Tamis_Siensya Ray* deserves a kick - Freedom. have a slice - sugarsmosley 
World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - Mr._Pink Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - S a m u r a i Anti-Tobacco - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - S a m u r a i Cesarean Sections - Headaches - Hospice Care - Multiple Myeloma - S a m u r a i Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - S a m u r a i 
Childhood Cancer - S a m u r a i 
Default

The trainers of old use to do everything, but nowadays things have been split into two due to a number of things like making weight etc, Now we have dieticians in camp, S&C coaches but back in the days boxers use to be more discipline with what they eat and the sort of conditioning work they do, not anymore... This is why new school trainers are bringing in all the help they could get.
Reply With Quote
Ray* is online now
#6
Old 12-15-2012, 01:51 PM
gmc_rfc_06
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 3,883
Rep Power: 14 gmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond reputegmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond reputegmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond reputegmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond reputegmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond reputegmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond reputegmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond reputegmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond reputegmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond reputegmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond reputegmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,005,041,060.48
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 1,005,041,060.48
Default

They aren't essential, they are just another improvement.

Fighters that can afford a qualified strength and conditioning coach will get the benefits of them, they will be better athletes. They know the human body and exactly how to make it more explosive, stronger and faster.

Why hire a top boxing coach? To become better as a boxer.
Why hire a top S&C coach? To become a better athlete.
Reply With Quote
gmc_rfc_06 is online now
#7
Old 12-15-2012, 02:02 PM
Ferrarijones
Contender
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 292
Rep Power: 5 Ferrarijones will become famous soon enoughFerrarijones will become famous soon enough
Points: 19,346.59
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 19,346.59
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gmc_rfc_06 View Post
They aren't essential, they are just another improvement.

Fighters that can afford a qualified strength and conditioning coach will get the benefits of them, they will be better athletes. They know the human body and exactly how to make it more explosive, stronger and faster.

Why hire a top boxing coach? To become better as a boxer.
Why hire a top S&C coach? To become a better athlete.
But who has really improved via a strength and conditioning coach? Donaire? Still tires out. Pac? Cramping and some stamina issues in a few fights. Marquez? Maybe. Cotto? Still gets tired and is actually a worse fighter now.

If these guys showed massive improvements for fighters I could see their use but as of now their just gouging the pockets of these fighters. You train an ATHLETE different than a FIGHTER anyway. A fighter needs more than just explosiveness from his conditioning routine. And to train them as like any other athlete, say a football player is foolish.
Reply With Quote
Ferrarijones is offline
#8
Old 12-15-2012, 02:03 PM
Simply Zyzz
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,028
Rep Power: 0 Simply Zyzz is infamous around these partsSimply Zyzz is infamous around these partsSimply Zyzz is infamous around these partsSimply Zyzz is infamous around these partsSimply Zyzz is infamous around these partsSimply Zyzz is infamous around these partsSimply Zyzz is infamous around these partsSimply Zyzz is infamous around these partsSimply Zyzz is infamous around these partsSimply Zyzz is infamous around these partsSimply Zyzz is infamous around these parts
Points: 121,520.12
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 121,520.12
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spray_resistant View Post
When fighters made enough to waste money on useless people in their camps, seriously if your doing what your supposed to as a fighter you should be pretty strong and conditioned come fight night.

this... seriously, its called picking up a book.... the key to everything they do is called circuit training.......

but if they feel more comfortable paying someone to just tell them what to do than go for it.....
Reply With Quote
Simply Zyzz is offline
#9
Old 12-15-2012, 02:05 PM
PAC-BOY
#1 Floyd Hater
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Miami Beach, Fl
Posts: 48,287
Rep Power: 256 PAC-BOY has a reputation beyond reputePAC-BOY has a reputation beyond reputePAC-BOY has a reputation beyond reputePAC-BOY has a reputation beyond reputePAC-BOY has a reputation beyond reputePAC-BOY has a reputation beyond reputePAC-BOY has a reputation beyond reputePAC-BOY has a reputation beyond reputePAC-BOY has a reputation beyond reputePAC-BOY has a reputation beyond reputePAC-BOY has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 5,489.68
Bank: 69,399,248,004,658,680.00
Total Points: 69,399,248,004,664,168.00
No Message - miamijohn No Message - MR ITALIAN No Message - sickwitit No Message - BOSSHOGG No Message - PAC-BOY 
No Message - miamijohn No Message - PAC-BOY No Message - miamijohn No Message - sickwitit No Message - MR ITALIAN 
No Message - PAC-BOY No Message - miamijohn No Message - PAC-BOY No Message - PAC-BOY No Message - PAC-BOY 
joining the club - MANIAC310 Happy Birthday love :kiss: - Bossy 40,000!!!!!!!! - I'm so sorry Happy holidays bro! - led* Awesome sig - BulgariasFinest 
Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - sickwitit Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - MR ITALIAN Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - BOSSHOGG Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - PAC-BOY Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - Rubber Duck 
Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - BOSSHOGG Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - MR ITALIAN Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - miamijohn Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - miamijohn Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - BOSSHOGG 
Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - BOSSHOGG Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - BOSSHOGG Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - BOSSHOGG Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - Rubber Duck Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - Rubber Duck 
Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - MR ITALIAN Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - BOSSHOGG Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - BOSSHOGG Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - Sugar Freddi Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - The Gully Gad 
Default

When Bernard Hopkins kept winning fights people thought he was to old for!
Reply With Quote
PAC-BOY is offline
#10
Old 12-15-2012, 02:12 PM
gmc_rfc_06
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 3,883
Rep Power: 14 gmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond reputegmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond reputegmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond reputegmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond reputegmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond reputegmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond reputegmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond reputegmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond reputegmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond reputegmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond reputegmc_rfc_06 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,005,041,060.48
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 1,005,041,060.48
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferrarijones View Post
But who has really improved via a strength and conditioning coach? Donaire? Still tires out. Pac? Cramping and some stamina issues in a few fights. Marquez? Maybe. Cotto? Still gets tired and is actually a worse fighter now.

If these guys showed massive improvements for fighters I could see their use but as of now their just gouging the pockets of these fighters. You train an ATHLETE different than a FIGHTER anyway. A fighter needs more than just explosiveness from his conditioning routine. And to train them as like any other athlete, say a football player is foolish.
They train them nothing like a football player. Football players train max effort days and dynamic days. Max effort for strength, dynamic for speed and explosiveness.

Boxers are trained differently by every different strength coach. Every coach has his own way of training a specific fighter based on their body. Pacquiao ran through the likes of Cotto and built his star power during his run with Ariza, he was regarded by all as a beast.

Trainers know exactly how the body works, how best to train it for each specific sport and how to maximise it's efficiency.
Reply With Quote
gmc_rfc_06 is online now
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
coaches, coditioning, essential?, strength

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Privacy Policy - Submit News - Feedback - Site Map - Advertise with Us

Copyright 2003-2013 BoxingScene LLC All rights reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:13 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.