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Old 12-23-2012, 03:43 PM
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I already hear about security guards tasering school children, I don't really trust them with guns.
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Old 12-23-2012, 07:19 PM
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So you have no idea what my intended point was (even though it's clearly outlined in the post directly preceding yours,) but you're certain what it wasn't? I'll just assume you were in one of your usual drunken stupors when you wrote this (and posted Code Pink making fools of themselves.)



Well I think it's applicable since Clinton's proposal was to specifically address the Columbine school shooting. Seems like you're being needlessly argumentative. I'm not sure why we can't do this for all of our schools, though I prefer what they're doing in Harold, Tx, which is allow their teachers to carry concealed weapons.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...-guns/1781663/

In case you're interested a Texas CCW requires 10 hours of instruction (5 hours to re-certify) and a demonstration of proficiency in shooting 50 rounds center mass at distances up to 45 feet.

http://www.chl-texas.com/

Oh no it's totally applicable to the situation. It's an example of throwing money at a problem in a way that isn't going to help. I was explaining what the place of police in schools is, and it isn't preventing statistical anomalies like school shootings, it's in providing a presence for combating crime.

The thing is it isn't just school shootings. It's gun culture. I acknowledge that spree shootings are relatively rare (but more prevalent in the US than anywhere else in the world) but that the situation is not helped by US gun culture. The gun culture in the US is insane. The Sandy Hook shooting is an example of gun culture: The shooter gained access to weapons because his mother was stockpiling them "in case of emergencies". Guns are marketed in the US using fantasy. Not really different from any other product really (trucks are tough, burgers make you happy, clothes make people like you) but the fantasies used to sell guns are violent ones. What the gun manufacturer wants you to think is that everyone can be Charles Bronson in Death Wish, meting out Lone Justice to the punks that would threaten to violate their wives (the phrase "would you let punks kill you and rape your wife" is a common one in these discussions. As though laying off the Mad Max rhetoric would mean a total breakdown of society and turn statistically unlikely events into the new normal) and break into their houses.

Worse than that is the other selling point which invites gun owners into the fantasy that they are somehow, through owning the right brand of handgun, preventing their government from suddenly turning into a combination of Josef Stalin and Adolf Hitler and that requiring a license to possess firearms will mean death camps for everyone. That level of mistrust for your elected officials is disturbing. I'm not a fan of Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty. But I don't think he's about to send death squads to my house.

The fantasy that the US is a battleground and only personal firearms can protect you is exactly that: It's a fantasy. The problem isn't the guns. It's the gun culture.
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Old 12-23-2012, 07:20 PM
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By the way, that cartoon about violent video games is absurd. Violent video games turn kids into spree murderers? Because the only place where violent video games go on sale is the United States?
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Old 12-24-2012, 12:47 AM
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I already hear about security guards tasering school children, I don't really trust them with guns.
some school children deserve to be tasered.
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:24 AM
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What do you think about guys like Michael Savage (radio host) not even being allowed in England because of his views?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_196631.html
I can understand where the govt is coming from because we have laws against extremist preaching (including as the article says white supremacists, muslim fundamentalists etc) and calling the Quaran the 'book of hate' is most definitely extreme. We also have a very large Muslim population here who the govt. owes more allegiance to than Michael Savage.

However, not letting him almost gives the impression that we are scared of his views, for me he should be let in and he should be confronted head on. Despite the anti-Muslim trend in Britain at the moment if there is one thing we hate more than anything its outsiders criticizing us. Which, coming full circle, is why i completely understand why Americans are hating on Piers Morgan. The guy is/was/always will be a tool. More than that he should be an incarcerated tool.

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Old 12-24-2012, 08:38 AM
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Fixed it for you.
They are the same person.


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Squeal you own a gun?
No, it's more hassle than it's worth. First I would need my firearms certificate, then I'd need my restricted certificate (for handguns). Then I would need to buy and install a gun safe and an ammunition safe on separate floors in the house, then I would need to replace my downstairs windows to high security ones and get an alarm system. I mean my house is pretty secure but I would need to be certain about security if I were to start storing high value theft targets like firearms in the house.

Plus what am I then going to do with the guns? Join a gun club certainly but I don't hunt, I live in a fairly urban area, I simply don't need a gun.

If I had a cottage out in a rural area then I would buy myself a rifle and a shotgun for protection against large or pesky wildlife (bears, moose, porcupines etc) but I don't so what's the point?
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