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Old 12-14-2012, 08:01 PM
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:04 PM
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do you believe you should have the right to own slaves? slavery is referred to in a couple places in the constitution...
Dont be silly the fact is if guns are made illegal only the criminals will have them.
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:05 PM
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:05 PM
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The object isn't the problem, American's need to look in the mirror and as why 2012 America is such a sick society.

Guns were easier to get in the 50's and guys didn't go around shooting up schools all the time. The quality of the population has decreased. Blaming an object is deflecting personal responsibility.
Surely if american society has degraded, then more efforts should be put on gun control since a lot of crazy people are shooting up children and adults on a regular basis.

Maybe in the 1950's society was a lot healthier but in modern day america, you have quite a few crazy people.

It's not all americans but even 1 crazy american can kill 20 kids and 8+ adults on a whim.

If it means saving those 20 kids and 8 adults then i think every american should do their duty and restrict gun control.

And we are not talking about taking away guns. I'm talking about stricter access and lengthy background/mental checks into individuals who are purchasing guns.
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:07 PM
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:10 PM
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Surely if american society has degraded, then more efforts should be put on gun control since a lot of crazy people are shooting up children and adults on a regular basis.

Maybe in the 1950's society was a lot healthier but in modern day america, you have quite a few crazy people.

It's not all americans but even 1 crazy american can kill 20 kids and 8+ adults on a whim.

If it means saving those 20 kids and 8 adults then i think every american should do their duty and restrict gun control.

And we are not talking about taking away guns. I'm talking about stricter access and lengthy background/mental checks into individuals who are purchasing guns.
But that school was a "gun free zone", those "gun free zones" only stop law abiding citizens from being able to defend themselfs.


****, guns are banned in mexico, last time I checked some 80,000 have been killed in the drug war down their. gun bans dont work. a ban is not the answer, it would only create a black market for guns, so really it would make more crime.
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:14 PM
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If what just happened doesn't change peoples opinion on "the right to bear arms" nothing will.
what about the owners of illegal firearms, you think this will change their mind too...you can't blame everyone because of this sick bastard.
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:21 PM
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But that school was a "gun free zone", those "gun free zones" only stop law abiding citizens from being able to defend themselfs.


****, guns are banned in mexico, last time I checked some 80,000 have been killed in the drug war down their. gun bans dont work. a ban is not the answer, it would only create a black market for guns, so really it would make more crime.
the guns that mexico gets are american ones bought legally and leaked out to cartels.
gun free zones don't work because there are plenty of guns outside of them.
we have to limit the amount of legal firearms out on the streets because many of the guns acquired illegally were purchased legally.. and a lot of the other ones are smuggled back in from mexico so we have to limit what and how we sell to mexico.

that's not the entire problem though. there are countries like Switzerland who has one of the highest gun ownerships and this rarely happens there. it's our society and our culture that is just as much to blame.

it's become quite obvious that we can't trust our civilians owning assault rifles like Switzerland does though and they should be heavily restricted.
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the laws in Jersey are very strict but how can you control a person that snaps and goes on a killing streak...I do agree that the laws should be alot more stricter than they are but banning them is not the answer.
Mandatory psychological tests for anybody who wants to obtain a gun license.
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:55 PM
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But that school was a "gun free zone", those "gun free zones" only stop law abiding citizens from being able to defend themselfs.


****, guns are banned in mexico, last time I checked some 80,000 have been killed in the drug war down their. gun bans dont work. a ban is not the answer, it would only create a black market for guns, so really it would make more crime.
The question you should be asking is if your society needs guns to defend itself from gun wielding people then that's not a very safe society to live in period.

Also, you shouldn't jump the gun (pun intended)

A gun ban won't work but stricter regulations regarding who should be allowed to purchase a gun would work wonders.

Having more shootouts isn't going to help in the long run

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