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Old 12-11-2012, 05:06 PM
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Nacho was waiting for that double fake for Marquez just to throw the right cross.
I agree, you guys are right. The only change Roach made with Manny was to have him be more aggressive. Otherwise he was still doing that same double jab feint followed by a straight left. Like always.

Nacho and Marquez were clearly waiting for it.

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Old 12-11-2012, 05:25 PM
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Freddie isn't an elite trainer. Linares, Khan, and now Pac have ended up pancaked. That type of s hit doesn't happen to the best fighters of the best trainers.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:29 PM
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I actually thought Pacquiao had a really good gameplan, that he was executing very well. He just walked into that shot.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:30 PM
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I agree, you guys are right. The only change Roach made with Manny was to have him be more aggressive. Otherwise he was still doing that same double jab feint followed by a straight left. Like always.

Nacho and Marquez were clearly waiting for it.
I thought Pac was doing the best he's ever doing at luring Marquez into punches. You can't eliminate every habit from a fighter who's been around as long as Pac, and those habits got him KTFO.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:34 PM
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It looks to me like setting up a big right hand was Nacho's plan for JMM the whole time, even during training camp.

Marquez is a G
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:39 PM
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I thought Pac was doing the best he's ever doing at luring Marquez into punches. You can't eliminate every habit from a fighter who's been around as long as Pac, and those habits got him KTFO.
I think it was the other way around, Marquez was luring Pacquiao to be more aggressive and throw more punches, so he could then get his space to throw those powerful punches.

Even Nacho said it, Marquez is really good at opening spaces so they were just waiting for Pac to get reckless to throw those hard counters.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:43 PM
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I think it was the other way around, Marquez was luring Pacquiao to be more aggressive and throw more punches, so he could then get his space to throw those powerful punches.

Even Nacho said it, Marquez is really good at opening spaces so they were just waiting for Pac to get reckless to throw those hard counters.
Marquez always does that though, so that's not a surprise. He normally doesn't take the shots and combinations he did in this fight in return. Marquez wanted him open, but he didn't want to get smacked around in the process.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:48 PM
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Marquez always does that though, so that's not a surprise. He normally doesn't take the shots and combinations he did in this fight in return. Marquez wanted him open, but he didn't want to get smacked around in the process.
He had to take chances to get in the right place. In Marquez vs Pacquiao 3 Marquez wasn't taking as much punishment, but he wasn't as close to Pac as he was in this fight.

In order for Marquez to land that brutal right hand that took Manny out, he had to get closer to Pac so it was obvious he was going to get more hits on the process.

JMM was playing with fire, but in the end the strategy gave him the right result.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:57 PM
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I actually thought Pacquiao had a really good
gameplan, that he was executing very well. He just walked into that shot.
spot on, Pacquiao had Marquez flummoxed with his head and upper body movement and was winning the fight both on the cards and in the ring until the KO.

I dont think Freddie could be faulted for an almost perfect plan against a great fighter. Nacho's fighter was losing the fight and just about to lose another round.

At the end of the day they were preparing for a different fighter this time around, not just a counterpuncher but a counterpuncher with unprecedented KO power.

No one could have predicted that (well no one outside of Angel Hernandez perhaps).

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Nacho was waiting for that double fake for Marquez just to throw the right cross.
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Old 12-11-2012, 06:00 PM
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jesus, people really overrate the sht outta the backpeddling counter puncher, esspecially their boxing intelligence
you guys realise it basically takes no thought process in backpeddling and countering(compared to the chaser)?

it's simple as sht compared to trying to suprise your opponnent with every punch you throw on the guy that just waits

pacquiao wasn't simply being more aggressive, he was confusin the sht outta marquez with constant fients and sneakily closing teh distance(both of which the headmovement was granting him) and that leading left he throws leaves him in a position that marquez can't get him back from
marquez started out like he did in the 3rd fight, actually their strategy was exactly the same as that of the third fight, but down the line they thought "oh snap, we are winning, forget the ko juan, RUN!!"
marquez's game, like most counter-punchers, is to make his punches count, to counter with "power" shots
he came out like the last fight, "body shots first rd, body shots 2nd rd, suprise *****! head shot!!"

he just hadn't been roiding long enough, now he's peaked

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