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Old 12-12-2012, 06:31 PM
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How can it be ignorance when it is the truth. If you're demanding proof, wait a little while since the illumination of conscience is near.

If you're observant and keen (which I think you're not) you'll see on the outside simultaneous implosion of economies, immorality and apostasy on a worldwide scale, the elite of the world consolidating power, the threat of WW3, etc.

And if you're truly educated and has understanding of the mentioned above (which obviously is not the case), you'll perceive such changes and be alarmed. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY PREPARE.

But let's simplify things good sir.

For someone who professes to be an atheist, why are you so bent on proving God's non-existence when all you need to do is prove your ATHEISM IS TRUE. Which of course you can't.

Thus you need to bash the other side.
As I'm sure many have explained to you, Athiesm is not a belief but the rejection of one, you don't need to prove something that isn't a belief.

It's like saying "I don't believe in Santa Claus." I don't need to prove that Santa Claus isn't real, I'm not claiming anything at all in fact.

A better example is probably "I have a magic carpet that when you ride it it cures cancer." If someone rejects that belief, the onus is not on them to disprove it.

I'm not going to comment whether there is or isn't a God, and from your devotion to the topic (unless you're being a troll) I think you are being sincere in what you are doing. Am I correct in saying you are only doing this in order to "save" non-believers? If so I admire your efforts but you must learn that if you feel your way is that of enlightenment, a tiny push in the right direction is all that's needed. People need to learn these things for themselves because you constantly appearing patronising about it will only breed contempt for your beliefs.

If you're being true in what you post I don't doubt your sincerity but, maybe the method is lacking a little?
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:04 PM
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How can it be ignorance when it is the truth
It's the truth according to one side of the story.

Imagine if we just took one side of the story in every case ever tried in law.

The other side is evil..... according to.... this side.

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Old 12-12-2012, 11:26 PM
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As I'm sure many have explained to you, Athiesm is not a belief but the rejection of one, you don't need to prove something that isn't a belief.

It's like saying "I don't believe in Santa Claus." I don't need to prove that Santa Claus isn't real, I'm not claiming anything at all in fact.

A better example is probably "I have a magic carpet that when you ride it it cures cancer." If someone rejects that belief, the onus is not on them to disprove it.

I'm not going to comment whether there is or isn't a God, and from your devotion to the topic (unless you're being a troll) I think you are being sincere in what you are doing. Am I correct in saying you are only doing this in order to "save" non-believers? If so I admire your efforts but you must learn that if you feel your way is that of enlightenment, a tiny push in the right direction is all that's needed. People need to learn these things for themselves because you constantly appearing patronising about it will only breed contempt for your beliefs.

If you're being true in what you post I don't doubt your sincerity but, maybe the method is lacking a little?
Rejection of a belief is still a belief in reverse.

Then if indeed one is convinced that atheism is indeed true, there's no need to bash the other side of the coin right? Since proving something as true if indeed it is true is easy as 1+1 right?

Atheists have no intellectual nor moral ground to stand on. They're following a lie and all they do is deceive themselves.

It's easy not to prove something, but the same test is then applied if you start bashing the other side of the belief.

It's all simple.

If you are an atheist and believe strongly as such, then you are intellectually and mentally secure that what you believe in is true therefore there is no need for negativity on the other side of the spectrum (Reed is having a hard time understanding this hehe).

Bashing the other side needlessly is a true sign that one is following a lie.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:46 PM
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Man's curse is not up. The white throne judgment hasn't taken place.
So Job's family remained dead but it's OK because they'll be alive at the end of time? Somehow that's... a hollow victory.

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Any mass killing directed by God is righteous. You had entire groups of people and kingdoms that hated his ways. People always point out the people killed but don't bother to look at why. If God WANTS you dead.. you must've been sacrificing to idols, treating his people badly, or some ish as a culture.
Sacrificing to idols means it is justified to completely wipe out an entire people except for the young girls you take from their dead families as rape-trophies? What a disgustingly amoral piece of worthlessness you are.

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He never kills for no reason. I remember one story in particular athiests were spreading around about the story of Onan. Where God has him killed for masturbating they tried to proclaim...
The story of Onan was used by christians for hundreds of years as a cautionary tale against wanking! Atheists never "spread a rumour". That was true and devout believers, especially Catholics.

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when the story actually was, when I read it for myself, that Onan wouldn't do something very important and give his brother that passed an heir, and he was killed by God for the wicked act. Had nothing to do with masturbation.
He was told by god to impregnate his dead brother's wife and pulled out instead. For that he was killed.

That's even worse than killing him for masturbation!

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and stop crying over those that REFUSED to listen to God. Boo hoo, everyone in the lawless Sodom and Gomorrah was killed ooo their devil spawn was killed. If anyone one of these supermax prisons blew up, would any of you shed a tear? It's the same kind of egregious offenders.
So you advocate the death penalty for every transgression? I think you might actually be mentally ill.

Of course an omnipotent and omniscient super-being could simply prevent everyone from misbehaving by directly influencing their minds like he did with Pharaoh in Exodus. Apparently letting them transgress then blowing them all up was more moral.

Oh and if you read the rest of the bible you learn that everyone has their fate predetermined by god so not only did he let them commit these mortal sins, he made them do it.

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And Lot's daughters slept with him because they thought they were the only people left and their father had no heir (son). And it is addressed Lot was in the red with offering up his daughters (he didn't know the power of the angels was trying to protect them) as the angel backed him away from the door after and blinded the gay rapists in front of his house .
Lot offered his daughters up for gang rape because the gang rape of innocent teenage girls is far preferable to any gayness that might happen. Disgusting.

As it happens his daughters got him drunk and then fucked him so maybe they weren't as innocent as all that. True they thought that they were the last people on earth but THEY GOT THEIR OWN FATHER DRUNK AND THEN FUCKED HIM.

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Lot's daughters were the same way. They waited six hours and went "Better get impregnated, we're the only ones left!"

I'd like to think that most people might wait longer than THE SAME DAY before deciding to repopulate the human race by banging their relatives.

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and this wasn't just homos walking around these were hordes of gay rapists, there's nothing harmless about that. It was like a T-virus spread and God nuked the place.
I've played all of the Resident Evil games and frankly gay rape isn't in any of them. And those games are Japanese.

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And again, the animals are fine, I see plenty.
That's because Noah's Ark is a FAIRY TALE. It NEVER HAPPENED.

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Even we humans practiced this at times. Taking over areas and making sure to kill any potential child threats to return later to reclaim the newly conquered territory.
Tell me again how this is moral.
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:06 AM
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I think lucifer gets a bad wrap.

If life has taught me one thing, it's don't just listen to one side of the story.

Why would the devil want to punish you for doing HIS work? I bet Hell is bad ass, and it's probably not even really called hell.. that's what the other side just calls it. It's probably called Club Awesomeness™.

It's like when your parents tell you how bad strip clubs are..... and then you finally go to one.

Think about it.
I've thought about this as well.. like when the soviets would tell their people that the United States was a really bad place and when they got here it was the complete opposite of what they expected.

Lucifers reasons for revolt where just reasons as well. God seems narrow minded and stubborn when you hear the old testament stories. maybe in the biblical folklore Lucifer was right?
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Understand that lucifer was banished because HE DID NOT WANT TO SERVE MAN.

In the hierarchy of things next to God is actually Man. lucifer in his pride (remember that he is one of the smartest and most beautiful of angels and also one of the highest ranking), could not bring himself to serve Man which he considers inferior to himself.

God created Man out of His own image and it drove lucifer to rebellion. There were also a substantial number of angels who agreed with lucider's convoluted ideology and all of them was banished from Heaven and became twisted in form and in spirit. They are now the demons which plague mankind to sin.

TS is making this up like this is some kind of a joke.

lucifer hates mankind. All of mankind. He incited our first parents to sin thus we lost our rightful inheritance in paradise. He causes man to sin and that same sin has led to wars, murder, rape and overall human suffering.

Some of you clueless duds in your blind ignorant pride thinks he's nonexistent.

Remember this.

lucifer is smarter, far more brilliant that any of us. When he was banished from Heaven he was able to retain most of his knowledge. Our best weapon against his machinations is FAITH in GOD and CONSTANTLY BEING HUMBLE.
this sounds more believable.. but if we are higher than lucifer and angels. than why is he superior to us in every way?
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I dated this chick Lucy once, that I ultimately thought might've been short for Lucifer.
Lucy Fur? Was she hirsute?
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Lucy Fur? Was she hirsute?
Nope, but I did have to get used to a little of that when I was stationed in Germany.

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Do any of you actually read the Bible? I know you detractors can't stand God's teachings, but it does have something in there that would pertain to this story you enjoy so much... the devil.

He's described pretty well.

"A murderer from the beginning" and "the father of lies"

and it's already been mentioned, he hates man. Man's ultimate destiny from the onset was everlasting life and he made sure to foul it up as per the story in Genesis.

And hell is described in the Bible too. Know how bad it is according to Jesus? It's better you pull out an eye or cut off a hand if it causes you to sin and go into Heaven maimed, than it is for your entire self end up in the lake of fire, spend one moment in it.

There's no rest for the ones in the fire, they burn day and night. All that can be heard is the crying, wailing and gnashing of teeth by all those in it - and it's FOREVER. The devil is trying to take as many men as he can with him as he's been sentenced to death in the lake of fire himself.

How a character like that ever got romanticized is crazy. He does not give one lick about you. His whole thing is interfere with God, destroy man, destroy Earth.

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